What If You Held A Women’s March And Only The Jew-Haters Came?

Our own Ronnie Schreiber is somewhat infamous on these pages for using the phrase “Jew-hater” instead of the more neutral-sounding “anti-Semite”. He believes that it’s both honest and descriptive. I have little opinion on it, other than to suggest that we need yet a third term for people who claim to have nothing against Jews in general but who hate Israeli Jews with a passion. Perhaps there’s also a fourth term required for people who hate Israelis and Israeli but are themselves ethnically Jewish. I don’t know.

In any event, I’m using Ronnie’s phrase because I think it applies very well to a remarkably unpleasant situation within the organization that calls itself “The Women’s March”, albeit in the face of objections from fourteen other organizations.

A few days ago, Tablet published a remarkably comprehensive and well-documented investigation into the Women’s March. Here’s one of about twenty money shots scattered throughout the piece:

Tamika told us that the problem was that there were five white women in the room and only three women of color, and that she didn’t trust white women. Especially white women from the South. At that point, I kind of tuned out because I was so used to hearing this type of talk from Tamika. But then I noticed the energy in the room changed. I suddenly realized that Tamika and Carmen were facing Vanessa, who was sitting on a couch, and berating her—but it wasn’t about her being white. It was about her being Jewish. ‘Your people this, your people that.’ I was raised in the South and the language that was used is language that I’m very used to hearing in rural South Carolina. Just instead of against black people, against Jewish people. They even said to her ‘your people hold all the wealth.’ You could hear a pin drop. It was awful.

And another:

In one heated exchange, Julianne Hoffenberg, who works at the Gathering for Justice, lashed out at a woman on Facebook who criticized Sarsour for alleged anti-Semitism. “Did you march? You marched for Palestine,” Hoffenberg wrote. “You wore a pink pussy hat??? You advocated against the state of Israel and for Palestine.”

Central to this discussion is Linda Sarsour, an unapologetic booster for all sorts of new ideas:

It is doubleplusungood to criticize Ms. Sarsour…

…so I ain’t gonna do it. I will only say that the SPLC, the ACLU, and the rest of the curiously profitable progressive-industrial complex is going to have to decide at some point whether they are willing to put the interests of Ms. Sarsour and her fellow-travelers over those of, say, Ellen DeGeneres. In the meantime, the Tablet piece makes for compelling but exhausting reading. In the end, it appears to boil down to that old pair of immortal interests: power and money. There’s a lot of power to be had from running the Women’s March, and there is also apparently a lot of money that has gone missing. I hope they get it all squared away. I agree with the founders of the Women’s March when they say that women can be an extremely powerful political group, if they all act and vote the same way. The only question is: what happens if and when men decide that they, too, are best served by acting as a group? If all the women march, and all the men march, who is going to keep the country going while they are marching?

56 Replies to “What If You Held A Women’s March And Only The Jew-Haters Came?”

  1. John C.

    Am no great fan of Linda Sarsour or really anybody else at the women’s march. Having said that, all this she must step down and let others decide who organizes the movement smacks of the deplatforming that is being used to attack the right. If the idea is that she is too close to Hamas or Farakahn ask her about it and allow her to defend. If she can’t her mainstream supporters will abandon her and she will fade. Ultimately the movement will pick it’s own leaders though and those who oppose them will have to do it with ideas rather than disqualification.

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  2. CJinSD

    The Holocaust was great for George Soros, and he calls their tune. Maybe they think they’ve honed their selfishness and lack of humanity to the point that they can transcend their ethnicity and emerge from the genocide they’re fomenting as demigod shepherds to an even stupider flock of surviving sheep. That or they’ve simply been brainwashed to conduct war on themselves, which is almost equally likely.

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  3. Ronnie Schreiber

    Alice Walker joins the crowd:
    https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/277273/the-new-york-times-just-published-an-unqualified-recommendation-for-an-insanely-anti-semitic-book

    She touts a book that can’t decide if it’s Jews or alien lizards who are pulling the conspiratorial strings, or maybe it’s alien Jew lizards.

    Regarding Jew-hater, I agree that it’s a rhetorical bomb, akin to [insert slur here]-lover, but I’m not a fan of euphemism that obscures, which I think “anti-semitism” does. It’s also not based on history. “Anti-semitism” was popularized by a guy named Wilhelm Marr in the 19th century to make prejudice against Jews seem more scientific, less crude. The terminology is based on the notion that Jews are a semitic people, semites supposedly being a group of ethnic groups descended from the biblical Shem, son of Noah. The problem is that the term “semitic” was coined by 18th century linguists to describe a family of languages, not a group of related peoples or nations. The corrupted usage plays into Arab Jew-haters who claim that being semites themselves they can’t be anti-semites.

    Left wing Jews are soon going to have to face a hard decision. The hard left will only tolerate Jews who are Jews in name only and dead Jews. The leftist Jews at The Forward have been running interference for Jew-haters like the new Somali and Palestinian House members, so it’s good to see that the Tablet is taking up a good cause and calling out such great lovers of Israel and the Jews as Sarsour and company.

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      • CJinSD

        Look at Saudi ownership of the tech monopolies. There’s a reason the fascists are deplatforming a Jew like Laura Loomer and then calling her a white supremacist.

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    • bluebarchetta

      “Left wing Jews are soon going to have to face a hard decision.” Amen. The LBGTQ community is going to face a hard decision, too, because Sharia law and its proponents recognize only three genders…
      1) Male
      2) Female
      3) Beheaded
      …and two sexual orientations:
      1) Heterosexual
      2) Beheaded

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      • Disinterested-Observer

        Did you just assume that my gender isn’t having a stone wall bulldozed on top of me? My pronoun is “rocks,” plural.

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  4. Ronnie Schreiber

    Perhaps there’s also a fourth term required for people who hate Israelis and Israeli but are themselves ethnically Jewish. I don’t know.

    Self-hating Jew is a term that dates back quite a while. I certainly heard it used in my youth and I’m a pensioner. The thing, though, is that they love themselves, it’s the other Jews they hate. Some of them aspire to be hof Juden court Jews. Others would be kapos. Unfortunately Jewish history has many examples of Jews who did harm to the Jewish community.

    Before the establishment of the State of Israel, the Jewish community was somewhat divided over Zionism. Classical Reform Judaism, which focused on Berlin/Cincinatti, not Jerusalem, was bitterly divided over it. Detroit’s biggest Reform temple, Beth El, split over the issue, with the Zionists started Temple Israel. The “black hat” traditionally religious orthodox community was also (and remains) somewhat ambivalent over the secular state of Israel because it was established by non-religious Jews and because some think it’s trying to force God’s hand. For practical purposes, though, the vast majority of non-Zionist orthodox Jews are Zionists, in practice if not in name. They certainly don’t hate Israel like the Jewish Voice for Palestine paskudniaks do.

    Jew-hatred is an existential reality of being a Jew, essentially an artifact of our covenant with God, so it doesn’t particularly bother me on a day to day basis. It is troubling, though, how nobody in the mainstream media is willing to call out unarguable Jew-hatred when it originates on the left, particularly when espoused by blacks and other exotic leftist pets. BTW, Linda Sarsour claims to be brown but she’s whiter than the underside of this redhead’s forearm.

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    • BlueovalDave

      Ronnie,
      my understanding is that being somewhat divided over zionism is a tremendous understatement. Families in Poland and Russia and German states were torn apart by the choice which you don’t state or are not aware of. The choice was between zionism and communism. This is still being played out today. The communists are the globalists. The zionists are the nationalists. I believe the globalist/communist faction is using dopes like Sarsour to divide and conquer. and BTW, i am at least part Ashkhanazi, verified by genetic testing.

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      • Ronnie Schreiber

        I don’t believe it was a binary choice between zionism and communism. There were some very left wing zionists, and then there was the traditionally religious community, some of which embraced what developed into Mizrachi style religious zionism, and some which stood at arm’s length to the zionist movement because they saw it as primarily secular. Large numbers of Jews in that part of the world were neither zionists nor communists but wanted to get the hell out of eastern Europe and head for America.

        I’ve never taken a DNA test by my daughters have and they come up as 49% Ashkenazi Jewish. Since my ex is a convert to Judaism of Scotch & German descent that likely means my genetic makeup is almost 100% Ashkenazi.

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  5. Will

    Israeli’s are different and it has nothing to do with Judaism. As someone who’s Jewish (well and catholic, but my mother is Jewish), working with Israeli’s sucks and incredibly difficult; you can easily detest Israeli’s and not Jews, completely different.

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      • Ronnie Schreiber

        Israelis can be brusque.

        A joke that circulated during the bad old days of the Soviet Union:

        A pollster goes up to a Russian and asks, “Excuse me, 2hat’s it like to stand in line to buy meat?” and the Russian answers, “What’s meat?”

        The same pollster asks an American the same question, “Excuse me, what’s it like to stand in line to buy meat?” and the American answers, “What’s a line to buy meat?”

        The process is repeated with an Israeli, “Excuse me, what’s it like to stand in line to buy meat?” and the Israeli answers, “What’s excuse me?”

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    • CJinSD

      They must really hate Israel, or they see an opportunity to end our relationship with Israel. You never hear about Democrats refusing to take an oath to uphold the Constitution that they’ve been trying to obviate for most of their existence. If they’re pretending to care about lying, something absolutely dark is afoot.

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        • CJinSD

          This is a Republican bill. The people objecting to declaring peace with our closest ally are Democrats. Signing such an oath would be a lie for a Democrat who considers Islam to be his/her/its greatest ally in his/her/its war against our constitutional republic. Lying isn’t something Democrats usually have a problem with, as proven by their willingness to take oaths of office that they’re only seeking office in order to violate and dismantle.

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          • gtem

            I’m certainly not a Democrat but I’m quite opposed to the State government (or federal) force me to pledge fealty to another country. This isn’t a Red/Blue issue, it’s much more disturbing than that.

    • Ronnie Schreiber

      Do you have a problem with government agencies here in the U.S. requiring statements of compliance with anti-discrimination laws?

      Did you have a problem when the IRS, during the Obama administration, obstructed pro-Israel organizations from getting non-profit status, because they were supposedly working against the polities of the United States?

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      • gtem

        “requiring statements of compliance with anti-discrimination laws?” That’s a pretty intellectually weak argument Ronnie. Why does Israel get called out specifically? Why are all of these no-boycotts-for-Israel bills being done by State legislatures in the first place? The two factors that come to mind are the perpetual guilt and knob-slobbing by evangelical Christians (Abbott and Pence, etc), as well as lucrative defense deals with the Israelis in the states where these laws exist.

        I am very much against organizations such as CAIR and AIPAC, I’d like nothing more than to see them and a whole slew of other lobbyists on behalf of foreign governments and religions to be clamped down on and their sway eliminated or diminished. I was thrilled to see the Weekly Standard go under by the way, Bill Kristol and his lot.

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  6. Doug

    I have for a long time thought that this PC micro-group grievance political movement was headed for trouble. The only thing that will happen when you separate people out into various traits is have even more reason for people to dislike each other. It will be quite interesting to see how the hierarchy eventually plays out. Who is more worthy of crying discrimination..blacks…gays….women…transvestites etc…etc…? Who will get to decide the pecking order? This is the one thing I will find interesting about the “progressive” movement, the eventual war between the aggrieved.

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    • CJinSD

      Maybe the globalist shot callers aren’t worried about anyone winning. They just want idiots to fight each other instead of attacking their summits. Destroying Christianity is the only thing they’re consistent about, and that’s because Christianity gave us the one civilization that values individuals. They’re doing a bang up job at dismantling it, and the fewer of their pawns that survive the game the better I’m sure.

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  7. rambo furum

    If the Jews don’t like you, say for noticing or discussing patterns of their behavior, you are an anti-Semite and they will shut you down as they indisputably control the bulk of wealth, government, and culture of this land.

    I call Jews Christ-haters, as that is more accurate and descriptive. They will shift their definition as to whether they are an ethnic tribe, a religion, or something else, but the common link is their disdain for Jesus and Christians.

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    • Ronnie Schreiber

      First off, here you are, expressing your Jew-hatred freely, yet nobody is shutting you down. Is that not a puzzlement unto you?

      As for Jesus, since he was a Jew, why shouldn’t Jews be able to express an opinion about him? “Christ-haters”? I’ve got nothing against the guy personally. Some of those who have worshipped him haven’t been kind to his people, though. “Disdain”? Maimonides, the great rabbi, asks, in his code of Jewish law, under the laws of Jewish kings, “Why did God send the Ishmaelite and the Nazarene? To prepare the world for the ultimate arrival of the annointed king.” That hardly sounds like disdain.

      Are there critical statements about Jesus in the Talmud? Yeah, maybe a half dozen in a 64 volume compendium, but none of them compares to the truly vile things early church fathers said about Jews and Judaism, or for the matter, comes close to approaching the level of “You are of your father, the devil,” in the New Testament.

      Frankly, I doubt you are any kind of religious or believing Christian. You certainly don’t seem to express the kind of love for God’s creations that the Christians I have known and loved radiate. Just today I was at the Henry Ford Museum with my grandson, who wears a skull cap and tzizit, religious fringes that Jewish males wear. One of the docents, a Christian lady, politely asked if we were Jewish and very kindly wished us her blessings.

      Jews are a people defined by their religion, a religio-nation so to speak. Our common link is the covenant we have with God, whether or not individual Jews abide by that covenant.

      It’s really a shame that your life is so miserable that you have to blame boogeymen for it. Pull your socks up, man.

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      • BlueovalDave

        Ronnie i believe the talmud says that Jesus was the son of a whore and he is in hell in a boiling vat of excrement, in so many words. Did the early church fathers say anything worse than that?

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        • Ronnie Schreiber

          Yes.

          Some rabbis dissing Jesus was no threat to living Christians. About real, live Jews, people who could be harmed, not a dead carpenter, in just one of his eight homilies against the Jews Saint John Chrysostom said:

          “But these Jews are gathering choruses of effeminates and a great rubbish heap of harlots;”

          ” the synagogue is not only a brothel and a theater; it also is a den of robbers and a lodging for wild beasts.”

          ” Indeed the synagogue is less deserving of honor than any inn. It is not merely a lodging place for robbers and cheats but also for demons. This is true not only of the synagogues but also of the souls of the Jews, as I shall try to prove at the end of my homily.”

          “So the godlessness of the Jews and the pagans is on a par. But the Jews practice a deceit which is more dangerous. In their synagogue stands an invisible altar of deceit on which they sacrifice not sheep and calves but the souls of men.”

          “demons dwell in the synagogue, not only in the place itself but also in the souls of the Jews.”

          “Do you see that demons dwell in their souls and that these demons are more dangerous than the ones of old? And this is very reasonable. In the old days the Jews acted impiously toward the prophets; now they outrage the Master of the prophets. Tell me this. Do you not shudder to come into the same place with men possessed, who have so many unclean spirits, who have been reared amid slaughter and bloodshed? Must you share a greeting with them and exchange a bare word? Must you not turn away from them since they are the common disgrace and infection of the whole world? Have they not come to every form of wickedness? ”

          “What else do you wish me to tell you? Shall I tell you of their plundering, their covetousness, their abandonment of the poor, their thefts, their cheating in trade? the whole day long will not be enough to give you an account of these things. But do their festivals have something solemn and great about them? They have shown that these, too, are impure.”

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  8. safe as milk

    wow jack, you sure know how to strike a nerve.

    Perhaps there’s also a fourth term required for people who hate Israelis and Israeli but are themselves ethnically Jewish. I don’t know.

    Ronnie Schreiber: “Self-hating Jew is a term that dates back quite a while. I certainly heard it used in my youth and I’m a pensioner.
    although, i am a secular jew, i have always identified myself as jewish. i am a bar-mitzvah and i say kaddish on the anniversaries of my parents’ passing.

    i have have been called a self-hating jew many times even by members of my own family. why? because i oppose zionism. i don’t hate jews. i don’t hate israelis. to accuse someone of being anti-semetic because the oppose the politics of israel is despicable.

    in my opinion, any legitimacy that zionism had died with yitzhak rabin. i know there are many israelis who still tirelessly promote a peace deal with the arabs. i have enormous respect for them. but, my view is that they are naive and the israeli government has no intention of ever allowing a palestinian state no matter the terms

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    • Jack BaruthJack Baruth Post author

      This is a worth a discussion of its own. I personally think the Jews deserve a homeland and they deserve to be safe in that homeland. But I’d listen to the argument against it.

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      • safe as milk

        it’s not the homeland that i oppose, it’s the belief that the israelis have a divine right to build permanent settlements on land that the international community has determined belongs to other people.

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        • Ronnie Schreiber

          “Belongs to other people.”

          Can you point me to a history of the Palestinian people in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries?

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        • Panzer

          “That the IC has determined belongs to other people”
          It’s just bullshit. When you look at the average UN Resolution, it’s just noise and hot air.
          The Palestinian people don’t exist. Arabs are one people and I hope for their sake that they one day form some kind of federated nation state. The difference between a ‘Palestinian’ and an Iraqi for instance is the difference between someone from Idaho and another person from Kansas. There is nothing ‘Palestinian’ about the West Bank or Gaza, those two places were only exist because that was where the frontlines stopped after 1948.
          What this all means is that there is no occupation of Palestine because there is no Palestine and or Palestinian people. There is only Israel, which is the modern version of the ancient Jewish homeland which existed long before that paedophile Mohammed crawled out of that cave.

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    • Ronnie Schreiber

      Zionism is an ideology that says that Jews have the right to self-determination in their historic homeland. How did the assasination of Yitzchak Rabin (who himself tried to kill Menachem Begin on the ship Altalena) invalidate the right of Jews to self-determination in their historic homeland?

      Did you wish anyone a “Happy Chanukah”? If so, you acknowledged Jewish sovereignity over Jerusalem and the land of Israel.

      You say you are secular. Why then say Kaddish? Are you actually acknowledging God’s magnitude and the sacred nature of God’s name? Or are you just mumbling an incantation you don’t understant because otherwise you’d feel guilty about disappointing your parents?

      Just which parts of the following can you say without being a hypocrite:

      May His great name be magnified and sanctified. In the world which He created according to His will! May He establish His kingdom during your lifetime and during your days and during the lifetimes of all the House of Israel, speedily and very soon! And say, Amen.

      May His great name be blessed for ever, and to all eternity!

      Blessed and praised, glorified and exalted, extolled and honored, adored and lauded be the name of the Holy One, blessed be He, above and beyond all the blessings, hymns, praises and consolations that are uttered in the world! And say, Amen.

      May the prayers and supplications of all Israel be accepted by their Father who is in Heaven; And say, Amen.

      May there be abundant peace from heaven, and life upon us and upon all Israel; And say, Amen.

      May He who makes peace in His high places grant peace upon us and upon all Israel; And say, Amen.

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      • safe as milk

        anyone who dares to suggest that israel is in violation of international law and is not negotiating in good faith for a peaceful solution to issue is a shame to his religion. what is the justification for building concrete barriers and cities deep into the west bank on land that will have to be returned to the arabs, if a peace treaty is ever signed? it’s not for security. it’s to create facts on the ground that can’t be undone. the arabs didn’t kill rabin. a crazy right wing jew killed him because rabin wanted to actually make peace. all because we are the “chosen people.” complete bullshit.

        rant over. sorry jack.

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        • Jack BaruthJack Baruth Post author

          No reason to be sorry, this is a more than reasonable discussion.

          My ignorant opinion is that Israel needs every centimeter of land it can get for the next Six Day War.

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        • Ronnie Schreiber

          How about addressing the points I made in response to your original post instead of tossing out red herrings and strawmen? I never said you were a shame to your religion, I just pointed out a contradiction between your stated beliefs and your actions.

          I’m genuinely interested in why you say kaddish for your parents. You call yourself secular, you disparage Judaism, yet you make an effort to regularly say a deeply religious, particularistically Jewish prayer that acknowledges the existence of God and His supremacy and His relationship with the Jewish people. I find that curious.

          I’m also intrigued as to why you find a supposed accusation that you are a shame to your religion such an insult? You call Judaism “complete bullshit.” Why should you care if someone says that you’re a miserable excuse for a Jew?

          As an aside, I wonder if nominal Catholics, barely educated about Catholicism ever say, “But Father, I had a Confirmation. I know what I’m talking about. That substantiation thing is complete bullshit.”

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          • ComfortablyNumb

            All the time. More often it’s about ordaining women. We’re running out of tactful, compassionate ways to say “I understand your opinion, but that’s not how it works.”

          • Ronnie Schreiber

            “All the time. More often it’s about ordaining women. We’re running out of tactful, compassionate ways to say “I understand your opinion, but that’s not how it works.””

            Perhaps I should have taken a postive approach, but I’m getting tired of Jews who are essentially ignorant of Judaism that use the fact of their being Jewish as validating beliefs and attitudes that at best have nothing to do with traditional Judaism and at worst stand in direct opposition to classical Jewish concepts.

            I’m tired of folks who go to the synagogue twice or maybe three times a year, who “had a bar mitzvah”, lecture me about Judaism. I’m tired of the Tikun Olam [to fix the world] types that can’t even tell me where that term comes from. If they could (it’s from the Aleinu prayer that ends every traditional Jewish prayer service), its context would bother them. Aleinu is literally about bending a knee and bowing to God’s sovereignity, and the term Tikun Olam is part of the phase “to perfect the world under the kingdom of God.”

          • Daniel J

            Ronnie,

            Maybe sarcasm isn’t coming out on text, but as a Catholic I’m really confused to your point in the last sentence.

  9. Robert Evans

    This is the natural extension of Identity Politics. Under The Big Tent, you eventually rub shoulders with someone you’ve been taught to despise.

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  10. Sooke

    I support Israel vs. its Arab neighbors for the same reason I support Taiwan vs. mainland China -both are thriving democracies who just want to maintain their territorial integrity, whose people won’t allow their country to be swallowed up by their much bigger, much less democratic neighbors.

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    • rambo furum

      Most people, if you really ask long enough, admit to an Alien vs. Predator admission that “they look more like us.”
      I’d love to have a Christian version of the kind of exclusive democracy they have over there, not that I’m going as far as sending people back to Africa like Israel does.

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      • Ronnie Schreiber

        Exclusive democracy? Twenty percent of Israeli citizens are not Jews. They have full civil and political rights and there are Arab political parties represented in the Israeli parliament. There’s an Arab justice sitting on the Israeli supreme court.

        Have you ever expressed concern that the Palestinian Authority has a law that makes it a capital crime to sell land to a Jew?

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        • Daniel J

          Would the world so agree to The Catholic church all of a sudden having their own nation. Going to war for their land somehow? Much of the crusades was sold as that, and histy has looked unfavorablly on the crusades.

          I freely admit to ignorance when it comes to with the Jewish and Islamic religions. However I’ve never understood the modern acceptance of land and nation belonging to either just due to religion.

          I also freely admit that I’m discarding the cultural, historical, and ethnic ties to a religion, as in both modern Catholicism and Protestantism, the religions encompass many ethnic, national, and cultural differences accross the world, and that’s the colored lens I’m looking through.

          I’ve always had a hard time discerning where Judaism ends and Israeli begins. The same for Islam and Islamic countries.

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  11. MarkXJR

    I just hope that somebody actually gets to win in humanity’s great lottery called “Pick the Right God”.
    All this arguing and fighting better pay off for somebody in the afterlife.

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