(Last) Weekly Roundup: Under The Guys Of Equality Edition

Sherryl Kleinman, a former professor of sociology at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill… reserved a special disapproval for “you guys,” which she considered the “most insidious” of these phrases, and with the help of former students made a small card that anyone could print out and, for instance, leave behind at a restaurant to communicate their dislike of the term to an employee who had used it.

If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine professors and students haranguing service-industry employees via passive-aggressive cards left behind at a restaurant table, forever.

In a long and oft-cited essay defending the practice of lecturing the working poor on equality from the comfort of a tenured chair, Kleinman cites Douglas Hofstadter’s “chairwhite” parody piece. Hofstadter, despite or perhaps because of his undeniable brilliance, has spent a lot of effort attempting to attract the approval (or at least the attention) of women via various white-knighting opinion pieces in science magazines. In one of these articles, he writes about “chairwhites” and “policewhites” and “firewhites” in an attempt to point out what he feels is the ludicrousness of having “man” be the default word for “person”. Speaking on the basis of strict logic, Hofstadter is correct, although perhaps not for the reason he would supply if asked.

Really, the whole idea of “white people” is a little nutty; putting all the different European ethnic groups into one bucket is about as ignorant as considering Native Americans and Pakistanis to both be part of some generic “brown people” group. That aside, “white people” account for something like eight percent of humanity. There are two Indians in India for every “white” in the whole world. So if we said “chairwhite” or “policewhite” it would be outright risible because whites are so rare globally, and English is now a global language.

The same is true for “man” as the default word for “human”. Men are born at a slightly higher rate than women globally, although some of that is due to various practices of abortion and post-birth sex selection in certain countries, but by the time you get to puberty men are less common than women and this difference becomes greater across age. The average nursing home is somewhere between two-thirds and three-quarters female. Therefore, if one were to re-engineer English for reasons of logic rather than emotion or laziness, “man” would be the XX chromosome human and “woman” would be the XY, due to rarity.

There is also a biological argument to be made for reversing “man” and “woman”. The XX human is the default model and all you really need to carry on the species; the XY is a modification, and a faulty one at that. Men have less genetic variation than women because the Y chromosome is relatively simple and low-information; that’s why paternity tests are so reliable. To put it in terms my younger male readers can understand, the X chromosome is the “character” and the Y is the “skin” or “theme” you buy for it. We are feature-reduced variants of a complex system, losing our reproductive abilities in favor of a simpler, more impact-resistant construction. If your prehistoric-human camp is attacked by tigers, you put men in the front lines of the battle because we are not as biologically important.

You get the idea. There is no logical basis for assuming XY-maleness or Euro-whiteness in English. We got to this point because the four percent of people on this planet who happen to be “white men” have had an outsized effect on history, science, and art over the past two thousand years or so, for reasons best left outside the scope of this discussion. Kind of like the way the dimensions and specifications of the Schwinn Stingray ended up defining the BMX bike from 1970 to about 1990, because the sport was popularized on Stingrays. Between 1990 and 2020 pretty much all of those old dimensions — the 1/2″ pedal, the large unthreaded bottom bracket, the 7/8″ seatpost and handlebar, that sort of thing — have been eliminated in favor of new standards. As late as 1993 you could swap pretty much any part on a new BMX bike with the equivalent part on a 1969 Stingray. In 2020, nothing but the handgrips would interchange.

Some people, of course, want to retcon English as gender-neutral. Insofar as this reduces the bandwidth of the language, I’m against it. Replacing “he” or “she” with the generic “they” is not only ugly to read, it reduces the available information. It would be like saying “my child” every time I say “my son” now. I’m using the same amount of language to convey less information. Nobody ever hops in a cab and screams “FOLLOW THAT… CONVEYANCE!” What we need is a gender-neutral term for when we don’t know the information to be conveyed. Which we have, to some extent: person. “BigCorp completed its search for a new chairperson last week, announcing that Jane Doe would be the new chairwoman of the board, replacing previous chairman of the board, John Smith.” This leads to neologisms like “fireperson” and “policeperson” which are clunky but otherwise unobjectionable. “John Smith, a fireman at the local station, serves with three other firepeople on the Friday shift, including firewoman Jane Doe.”

So let’s return to Professor Kleinman’s restaurant scenario. Their server (don’t get me started on “server”, a word with “problematic” connotations of its own which has been pressed into unwilling service as a replacement for the apparently-offensive “waiter” and “waitress”) walks up to the table, ready to serve every whim of this privileged group. “Hey, guys!” this person chirps, causing a massive rolling of eyes around the table. What should the server have said? Kleinman suggests “you all” or “folks”, both of which are arguably offensive appropriations, from the Southern “y’all” and the German Volk respectively. Maybe we shouldn’t use Volk to refer to people without German ancestry any more than we should call a Navajo a “Comanche”. There’s also the fact that Volk has been part of other, ah, problematic words. I think the only safe thing to say is “people”.

“Hey, people! What would you like to eat!” Problem solved. Just how much of a problem it was in the first place depends, frankly, on where you are on Maslow’s pyramid of needs at the moment.

As for me, I’m removing “guys” from my vocabulary, same as Professor Kleinman. Not just because I think it marginalizes women, but because I think it also marginalizes men. To be a “guy” is to be not quite a man. We talk about “the guys who play video games all day” but “the men who stormed Omaha Beach”. Like “gross”, another one of my least favorite words, the word “guy” has no place in the speech or writing of modern men. (What place it has in the speech and writing of modern women is, of course, not something on which I claim authority). So I will write about “the men against whom I raced last week” or “the people at the track” or “the ladies of the canyon.”

No doubt this plan of action will occasionally prove inadequate; modern life is full of potential landmines for any such strategy. Earlier this week, as some of you may know, two protestors for the Black Femme March were run over by a driver as they stood on a Seattle freeway. One was killed. The Black Femme protestor who died was a white non-binary person who preferred “they” as a pronoun. The person who ran into the protest was a Black African man from Eritrea, driving a white Jaguar made in Britain by a firm headquartered in India. A bystander talked to a local news station:

“She’s a little white girl,” said Carl Rolle, a black Capitol Hill resident. “And there she is, thinking about other people and somebody ran her over. I haven’t seen that person. I don’t know what that person looks like. But whoever that person was, he committed an act of terror against her person.”

It’s a good thing Carl doesn’t live in Canada or the UK, or he might have just committed a crime right there on television. Guys, it’s gonna be a while before we sort all of this out.

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I wrote about a 200SX.

58 Replies to “(Last) Weekly Roundup: Under The Guys Of Equality Edition”

  1. AvatarCliff G

    What is nice about the Kleinman/Hofstadter analysis is that it represents a move back to classical Marxism. The bastardization of Marxism into race-ethnicity-gender-etc. categorizations of the last 40 years or so seems to be coming to an end. We are now back to a straight forward class differentiation, albeit of a sort that that is closer to cultural than economic. Of course, Karl was not exactly a member of the proletariat either nor, come to think of it, any leader of any Communist regime. Lenin didn’t have to come up with the “dictatorship of the vanguard of the proletariat” for nothing. I do find it humorous that non-binary book store workers, tenured college professors and CEOs of Fortune 500 companies all share the same “class”. Of course, if you are the CEO of NIke you might want to mouth all the right words for BLM so no one will bring attention to the 20 year Vietnamese ladies making $.60 an hour manufacturing your $350 NBA jerseys.

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  2. AvatarRonnie Schreiber

    It’s my impression that much of the current nonsense over both Covid and BLM is being driven by neurotic white women. Female humans have exquisite sensitivity to social acceptance and social standing. They seem to have an innate drive to be part of the crowd. Males, it seems, have a higher tolerance for being pariahs. Perhaps that explains why there’s such a gender imbalance when it comes to invention and entrepreneurship. To succeed at invention (technical or business) you have to be willing to suffer the slings and arrows of almost endless naysayers. Women are less willing to endure that kind of rejection.

    Perhaps this has to do with sex. Women, even fat and ugly ones, can have sex pretty much whenever they want to, as long as they’re willing to be flexible about standards. Men, in contradistinction, live a life of rejection. Hell, even married men know they can’t have sex whenever they want it.

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    • Avatarsnorlax

      > “Women, even fat and ugly ones, can have sex pretty much whenever they want to, as long as they’re willing to be flexible about standards.”

      This is a somewhat silly statement; most men can also have sex whenever they want by lowering their standards. The distinction is that women can *more easily* have sex *without* lowering their standards.

      Also, “women can have sex whenever they want” is sort of like saying “men can discuss the latest ‘Angela’s Ashes’-type misery lit over Chardonnay whenever they want.” Most women have little interest in casual sex, so “whenever they want” is rarely or never.

      P.S. For any guys who have trouble getting some, my best advice to you besides keeping in shape is to do girly activities with women you’re interested in. It makes you seem much more attractive, just as you or I might be more attracted to women who (appear to) share our stereotypically masculine interests, like cars.
      > “Men, in contradistinction, live a life of rejection.”

      A corollary to my previous point is that women nowadays also live a life of rejection, and in many ways much more emotionally painful rejection (hence the explosion in mental illness among women). Dating or even cohabiting with a man for years who never proposes marriage hurts a lot worse than the momentary humiliation of being rejected by the hot chick on Tinder.

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      • Avatarstingray65

        snorlax – perhaps you have had luck with getting some action by engaging in girly activities, but research suggests otherwise. Girly activities might get you a lot of female friends, because many women think it is cool to have gay male friends, which is what most will assume you are if you like cats, knitting, and like watching the Bachelor.

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      • Avatarmrwiizrd

        “Most women have little interest in casual sex, so “whenever they want” is rarely or never.”

        While it may be true that most women have little interest in casual sex with low status men, in my experience the majority of women won’t hesitate to have casual sex with a high status man when the opportunity presents itself.

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    • AvatarLatisha Brown

      “It’s my impression that much of the current nonsense over both Covid and BLM is being driven by neurotic white women. ”

      Yes, but who is driving the women? Who puts these ideas in their heads?

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      • Avatarstingray65

        “Yes, but who is driving the women? Who puts these ideas in their heads?”

        Answer: K-PhD teachers and professors, Democrats, and the mainstream media – in other words Leftists.

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    • AvatarMrGreenMan

      Ronnie,

      I believe the wisdom passed down in the English translation as from one “Agur” explains your observation on the neurotic and barren at the front of the wave: The leech has two daughters: Give and Give. Three things are never satisfied; four never say, “Enough”: Sheol, the barren womb, the land never satisfied with water, and the fire that never says, “Enough.”

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  3. Avatarhank chinaski

    Since there isn’t enough Orwellian comedy today, via ZH: https://mobile.twitter.com/GarbyJooman2020/status/1280462570164383745/photo/1

    Additional unintended ironic comedy related to that crash: The victims, Summer (Taylor) and (Diaz) Love, remind us of the Seattle Mayor’s prescient description of the current riots as the ‘summer of love’. Also, Taylor’s last act on this earth was to get a black man arrested.
    Seriously though, both families should sue the city for letting these nincompoops block the freeway like so many bowling pins.

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    • Avatarstingray65

      Notice how media coverage of the “racist” white Jaguar’s high speed hit and run on the “peaceful” freeway protesters stopped almost immediately when it became clear the driver was a young black male? I also thought it was funny that people protesting to defund the police were very anxious for police help when the Jag driver had the audacity to cruise down the freeway as if it were designed for cars and not protesters.

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  4. AvatarCreamed Tomatoes

    I’m a Letter Carrier who works near a large Ohio public university memorialized in story and song regarding a tragic incident 50 years ago. Like most if not all college towns the general population is probaby 90% leftist. In many of the neighborhoods I deliver to you can’t spit without hitting a Black Lives Matter sign, some distressingly made by the indoctrinated prepubescent white children. Some signs proclaim the love of their black neighbors, of which there are none. Of course in the poorer neighborhoods I see none of those signs.

    I honestly can’t remember anyone refering to me by anything else other than my name, Mailman, or Postman. Maybe a couple of Christmas cards have “Our Letter Carrier” written on them. They are generally from people I’ve never actually seen in person.

    Not really sure what this means. Maybe even the Progressives are unthinkingly sexist relying on terms they’ve always used until they recieve instructions otherwise. What I do know is that I’ve never seen a Garbagelady.

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    • Avatarrambo furum

      When I had a female letter carrier, I referred to her as a femailman. Is that the correct term?

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      • AvatarNordicGoats

        I always preferred the apparent oxymoron “mail lady.” The homonym could be used to inaccurately refer to and simultaneously irritate sufferers of gender dysmorphic disorder.

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        • AvatarCreamed Tomatoes

          Most of the women I work with seem pretty happy with the unironic mail lady. The younger ones generally seem pretty confused with how their lives took such an unfortunate turn.

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  5. Avatartoly arutuynoff

    I occasionally use ‘folks.’ kinda fun–firefolk, mail folk etc. but too much comment and analysis on something that should be ignored and if pervasive, ridiculed

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    • AvatarGeorge Denzinger

      I’m also a ‘folk’ user. But, my first language was German and I only use it as intended, no political overtones intended.

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    • Jack BaruthJack Baruth Post author

      I don’t know what’s worse: the Orwellian insanity of the language police, or the existence of Shadow DOM.

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      • Avatartrollson

        Well, they fired Brendan Eich for political reasons and not for creating JavaScript, but you know what they say – a broken clock is right twice a day.

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  6. AvatarNordicGoats

    “Gross” is a perfectly acceptable shorthand for a dozen dozens.

    Sorting this mess out is exactly what we need to do despite the long unpleasantness that will assuredly have to be undertaken by men. Until we extirpate the insanity and the inanity that tolerates and promotes such (sort “this” literally “out” of our society) we risk the survivability of our progeny.

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  7. AvatarDirty Dingus McGee

    Perhaps we should just use the old Marine DI term for everyone; Fucker.
    It’s gender neutral, race neutral, age neutral and accurately describes almost everyone over the age of 15.

    Or just carry some Preparation H to give out to the perpetually butthurt.

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    • Avatar98horn

      When I went through boot in the early 90’s, the powers that be had already outlawed verbal abuse of the recruits. However, our DIs brought in an old vietnam-era sergeant major who didn’t care at all about the PC police. I’ll never forget his barrage. “Hey, fucknuckles, what are you looking at? You look like a busted rubber. Did your parents have any children that lived.” Good times.

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  8. AvatarJohn C.

    Amen on the slow but fun 80s sporty coupes reappearing on used car lots aiming at today younger guys/folks/people. However your story illustrates why it went away. Yours was totaled within the year and your father probably got 80% of his money back to buy Apple stock. Fool the insurance company once etc. Now despite Honda trying to trick by calling your Prelude an Accord Coupe, you will find the expense of your son driving it in it’s old age much higher than the 200SX cost your father when much newer.

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  9. Avatarsgeffe

    Best example of this is at church. I’m Lutheran, baptized and confirmed, and attend a congregation under the auspices of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, a denomination born of the merging of three denominations back in 1988, with the most leftist one (while ironically being the most “high church” of the three) having succeeded in a hostile takeover.

    In addition to allowing homosexual clergy back in 2009, the ELCA has also brazenly attempted to remove every masculine pronoun referring to “God” in hymns, liturgy, and all other communication, making for some of the most stilted speech you’ll ever encounter! “God poured God-self out for God’s people..”—W! T! F?! The “God-self” bullshit is especially vexing, akin to fingernails on a chalkboard!

    Sadly, I’m sure the rest of the mainline Protestant Christian denominations are going the same way! Even in Lutheranism, some of this progressive garbage is trying to push its nose under the tent of the conservative Missouri Synod. Ronnie can probably chime in on whether that kind of thing has tried to intrude upon Judaism in America, and to what degree; as has been stated here, the voting habits certainly trend leftward despite that side’s disdain, as a general rule, for the state of Israel.

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    • AvatarMrGreenMan

      It really bulldozes the Near-Eastern special love for the firstborn son to trample on Jewish norms with this western, female-centered view. What cultural imperialism from the Lutherans. That terminology would color the understanding of the kenosis, and it would blur the allusion to the drink offering. All bad fruit from that!

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    • AvatarGeorge Denzinger

      I’m also a Lutheran, but a convert from Roman Catholicism. I started going to LCA churches with my now-wife back in the early 80’s. My Roman church upbringing was very strict, but as time has passed, I see more and more a drift away from biblical teachings and far more into this PC-world stilted speech that you describe. My wife no longer attends church with me and I go about once a month or so, just to have a “home” church. But, it almost makes me wish to return to Catholicism.

      Living in the upper midwest, you’d think I have a panoply of choices of Lutheran churches to choose from, but they seem to have been hit the hardest by the general trend to non-denominational churches. Our Synod has (IMO) seemingly retreated from attempting to start new churches and the ones that remain are hanging on for dear life.

      I’m sorry to hear that some of this is happening to LCMS churches, I may have to try the Wisconsin Lutheran Synod church near me, to see if I can find my spiritual center again.

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      • Avatarsgeffe

        The LCA was the most leftist of the three predecessor bodies, with quotas at Synod Assemblies and the like, and the PC push under the “social justice” tripe! But ironically, as I stated, they’re the most “high church,” with some pre-Eucharistic rites almost as lengthy as what I’ve encountered when I’ve attended a Catholic Mass, and which to me seems to focus on the congregants more than The One Who should be front-and-center. When they changed “it is right to give him thanks and praise,” and got rid of that masculine pronoun, substituting “our,” that changes focus big-time—I’ve always said that if we patted ourselves on the back any harder by us praising God, we’d break our arms!

        The LCMS and WELS denominations don’t do anything for me because of closed Communion, among other things. So I just shake my head, roll my eyes, do a couple occasional facepalms, and keep on, as the music program at my church is second-to-none! (Well, at least until COVID-19 put the kibosh to singing! 🦠🦠)

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        • Avatarbenjohnson

          LCMS is ‘close’ communion – typically, if you get to know the pastor and he knows you understand the nature of the Eucharist, he may give you dispensation. Much like European Catholic priests.

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    • AvatarRonnie Schreiber

      The Reform movement in Judaism is almost indistinguishable from the leftist Christian denominations except for not giving lip service to Jesus. Temples whos “mission statements” are more likely to mention Social Justice than commandments. The Reform rabbinate is almost uniformly politically left wing, though there are a few non-comformists here and there. The Conservative movement, which split the difference between orthodoxy and Reform, is literally dying out. While the Conservative rabbinate is more traditional than Reform, the laities of the two denominations are almost identical in that most of them are functional illiterates about Judaism, rarely attend services, though Conservative Jews may be slightly less likely to marry non-Jews.

      Essentially the heterodox Jewish denominations failed to give their adherants compelling reasons for being Jewish. Bagels and lox can only go so far.

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      • Avatarsgeffe

        I was in the same sort of thing in the churches in which I grew up and now attend, since they were part of the centrist body of the three, the ALC, which formed the ELCA, but as I said, the new denomination was hijacked by the LCA predecessor, and a lot of those people got into positions of power in the church hierarchy, seminaries and other academic areas, and outreach venues such as youth and women’s ministries.

        Heck, I wonder if Catholicism will look the same after the SJW Pope at the helm moves on!

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        • AvatarCJinSD

          The Jesuit can’t lose. Either he destroys the church from within with his satanic agenda, or he drives everyone with an understanding of Christianity out of the church. Win-win. Maybe eternal damnation will be a sufficient price to pay for acting like a Democrat.

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    • Jack BaruthJack Baruth Post author

      Oh no, it was a franchisee. Dave lived down the street from my father but none of us ever saw him.

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      • Avatarsgeffe

        He didn’t seem to me to be a Porsche type anyway. Probably a pickup or a well-used but pampered American sedan. (IIRC, a couple years after he lost the Presidential Election to Bill Clinton in 1992, I saw a news item where Ross Perot was caught on-camera having car trouble. Newer BMW or Mercedes? Nope—a late ’80s Olds 98 Regency! I could picture Dave Thomas doing the same thing.)

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  10. AvatarRick T.

    Things I learned from a black man’s…sorry Black man’s…podcast on English: man was originally a generic term for people, hence mankind and manslaughter. Male and female were wer and wif, which is the basis for words like werewolf.

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  11. Avatarstingray65

    More and more lifelike robotic sex dolls are being made that can be molded and programmed to look like your favorite Centerfold who actually enjoys having sex with their owner no matter what he looks like or how little money he has in his bank account, and now they are showing designs for artificial wombs that will free women of the burden of pregnancy, and all of these advances are invented by men. How soon before men get to the point where they decide they no longer need real live women correcting them about proper pronoun use, or complaining they are under-represented in tech and boardrooms, or accusing some poor sap of rape because he didn’t call her back the next day after a drunken sexual encounter, or taking the bulk of government welfare without paying much in taxes, or any of the other ways that modern women are endearing themselves to society?

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  12. AvatarScottS

    The degree of control that people have submitted to is profound and certainly not limited to words. The now ubiquitous face coverings we are “mandated” to wear are testament to our distaste for conflict and ridicule even as we are being conquered and ultimately defeated. The arguably useless masks have turned us all into anonymous drones. Speaking of distaste for conflict and ridicule, I would like to comment on Sajeev Mehta’s obituary on the Lincoln Continental.

    “The tenth-generation Lincoln Continental ceases production at the end of this year. Except it will be available throughout 2021 in China, because the Chinese still love executive sedans more than we do.”

    No, not really. We Americans are increasingly sensitive to being branded and ridiculed for any display of success. This is also a key reason why pickup trucks are so enormously popular. I was recently enjoying breakfast with a friend who runs a hugely profitable and successful business in a small Pennsylvania town, and discussing the merits of the Mercedes S-class and BMW 8 series. He lamented that it was too pretentious to drive such luxury vehicles in the area, as he gestured to the +$100K F350 in the parking lot he said, “with that, people give you a thumbs up and say, ‘great truck!'” The Chinese aspire to success along with all the trappings. And why not? We gave them all our jobs.

    I miss the America I was born into.

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    • AvatarCJinSD

      The people I know who have pickup trucks with German luxury car MSRPs are the least likely people to care about who they offend. Many of them have luxury cars too, or at least they do when they buy their first King Longhorn 1794 Edition Denali Cabana Cab.

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          • AvatarRonnie Schreiber

            My cousin David and his sons are plumbers (Quality Plumbing 248-967-DRIP “A Flush Beats A Full House”). For the most part, they use vans as work vehicles, not pickup trucks. Plumbers have a lot of equipment that can get stolen and prefer enclosed vehicles.

            Sure, car companies sell lots of pickups to businesses, but it seems to me that many tradesmen (and women) prefer vans to pickups.

          • AvatarScottS

            John C.

            No settling here! If I had my choice I would drive a modern version of the 67 Eldorado. Unfortunately, we’ve forgotten what an American luxury car is supposed to be. A BIG unapologetic statement of success.

            My current daily is a 2500HD Duramax. It’s big enough, but it’s no Eldo.

          • AvatarJohn C.

            Kudos to cousin David. I was reading recently about how Golda Meir was very worried that Jewish society was sort of a upside down pyramid with everyone professional and very few in the basic trades. She hoped the secular socialist kibbutz farms in soon to be Israel would be the partial answer. Another answer is the willingness to pay more to deal with your own kind. Bet David is doing well, good for him.

          • AvatarJohn C.

            Scott it is interesting the tradeoffs different people are willing to make. I am quite a fan of Cadillacs mid eighties offerings for trying to maintain what Cadillac offered in the smaller CAFE approved sizes. They really achieved much not knowing that Reagan would freeze CAFE in 85.

            You instead chose to match at least in size and price the older Caddys with your loopholed Duramax. I would never myself have left the car universe but desperate times I suppose call for desperate measures. Unfortunately a desperation we needlessly brought on ourselves.

  13. Avatarsnavehtrebor

    “If your prehistoric-human camp is attacked by tigers, you put men in the front lines of the battle because we are not as biologically important.” Or physically capable, but that’s another matter.

    I once had the misfortune to make a similar argument to our social group of middle class, college-educated white people (myn and womyn alike). The debate centered on whether women should serve in combat roles rather than in support functions in the modern-day military. One friend in particular was aghast, saying “are you really arguing that women can’t be as good at shooting or driving tanks or flying jets under pressure?” My response was that of course they can, but that they shouldn’t. I pointed out that wartime engagements not only provide the opportunity to get shot, but also to be burned to death, drowned, crushed, asphyxiated, or even taken prisoner and tortured to death. My point was that an evolved society should recognize that we should not allow our reproductive and thus more valuable gender to take part in something so base and cruel, under some misguided search for “equality”.

    Of course, this was a few years ago, back when only females could get pregnant and have children. Hell, I’m so old I can remember when only women could menstruate.

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    • AvatarCJinSD

      I know some soldier girls, or rather sailor girls. They had so many abortions while deployed that any kids they might have now that they’re based in the US are going to be suspect.

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  14. Avatarjc

    We already have a perfectly good contraction for the second person plural:

    Y’all.

    No “you guys” here, unless all are male!

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  15. Avatar-Nate

    7.12.20

    This one has been rattling around my head so I decided to ask some women if they thought it was bad to call them “girls” .

    Oddly enough not a one minded .

    Of course, these were all mature women, my age more or less and settled and stable, the single ones know if they need company or sex it’s easy to get, no need to walk around all butthurt looking for things to complain about .

    I can’t imagine who’d complain, maybe it’s one more bullshit ‘woke’ thing .

    I asked about ‘woke’ too and the ones who knew of it said it’s bullshit by unhappy losers .

    Sort of like how on either coast the word “Indian” will get you crucified but if you actually go to the res or other places American Indians live, the word is every where and they’re very proud of it .

    -Nate

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    • AvatarCJinSD

      The first girl to ever tell me she wanted to marry me had a habit of freaking out on service people who called her miss instead of ma’am. She was about 21 years old then, as was I. Last time I can remember talking to her, she told me she was going to vote for H. Ross Perot.

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      • Avatar-Nate

        @ CJ :

        LOL .

        I’ve also been asking black women if they were insulted by aunt jemima et al, they all asked “why ?” .

        I have the coolest brass key fob, it’s a little cartoon image of Ross Perot from behind ~ a black guy gave it to me with an old Motocycle I bought .

        I have zero intention of not using it, I wish I knew how to post an image here .

        -Nate

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  16. Avatartoly arutunoff

    I wrote something about trump not being a racist because he’d dated a black girl and some ninny corrected me and said something like I probably meant woman; I said at the time he was a white boy so she was a black girl. jeepers! there really are people like that out there!—oh he also said ‘I needed to get out more.’

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  17. Avatarhank chinaski

    Some other academic clown recently posted a screed (that of course also meandered its way to ZH) supporting the cancelling (unpersoning?) of Orwell himself, as he said mean things about commies and was therefore a literal nahtzee. The jokes write themselves.

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  18. AvatarArk-med

    (Trying to post again… With some additions)

    Meanwhile, the Portland chi chi restaurant industry is eating itself. A well-known (in the environs) restaurantrice, Maya Lovelace, took it upon herself to publish anonymized, undefended allegations against management from waitstaff of other (named) PDX fancy restaurants on IG. This became the basis for a hit-piece on wokescreed eater-dot-com. She then herself, hilariously, got called out for her own past “hostile behavior”:
    https://pdx.eater.com/2020/7/10/21315047/portland-restaurants-instagram-callouts-maya-lovelace-olympia-provisions-ava-genes-tusk-departure

    And check out this threadroll, where a restaurant owner gives some of the low down:
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1282335555485757440.html

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