(Last) Weekly Roundup: Delta Farce Edition

Admit it, if only to yourself: When Joe Biden, ah, obviously and ethically won the safest and most secure election in human history, you might not have liked the outcome — but weren’t you at least tempted to breathe a sigh of relief at the prospect of an end to America’s full-court-press Kulturkampf? I know I was. Too many of the people in my social circles had spent the past four years suffering from an unstoppable compulsion to display their hatred for President Trump in each and every aspect of their life, a political Tourette’s if you will. When they weren’t actively complaining about Trump, they complained about Trump’s supporters, those rural Morlocks who clung to guns, religion, and the Cummins 5.9-liter diesel.

I’d hoped that we would return to some civility in the American discourse — but that was remarkably naive of me. Instead, we are hearing demands for “truth and reconciliation” commissions, watching the current legislature fiddle an insane vendetta against both Trump and his supporters while the economy burns, and observing as the violent rhetoric of last summer’s “protests” is used to dehumanize everyone to the right of Snowball/Trotsky/Goldstein.

The truth is that you cannot easily re-bottle the lightning of political violence, at least not when it is so deeply satisfying and thoroughly consequence-free to wield it indiscriminately. The latest target of said viciousness, of course, is that group of people known collectively as “the unvaccinated”. They’re already being set up as the scapegoat for everything from rampant stagflation to the proliferation of COVID variants. Every op-ed page in the country is mulling over the various manners in which the un-vaxed might be compelled to accept a “jab”. There’s plenty of soft selling going on, some of it disturbing: Reddit is running ads in which a blonde woman tells viewers that “it is your right to vaccinate your twelve-year-old children”. There’s some carrot/sticking happening, particularly in New York City. And then there is the chorus that is openly demanding forcible vaccination of the entire population.

How fair and reasonable is any of this, particularly in light of the increasing body of COVID knowledge?

(Disclaimer: Here at Riverside Green, we all immediately submit to any vaccination, injection, inhalation, or penetration demanded of us by the corporate-governmental complex. We have all received mixed Pfizer/Moderna programs with extra boosters in an attempt to fill out the entire front of our vaccine cards. Sometimes, when we are bored, we stop by a CVS just to get an extra “jab” for safety’s sake. Not only are we pro-vax, we support the forcible vaccination of children, animals, lobsters, and inaminate objects. Chances are that, as you read this, Bark and I are both receiving an additional booster shot, just to be safe — jb)

It increasingly appears that it is the vaccinated, not the unwashed and unvaxed demon people, who are contributing to the spread of COVID-19 variants. The vaccinations do not appear to work in the traditional sense of rendering their recipients immune to infection. Rather, they simply mitigate the severity of the infection, allowing the person a higher chance of becoming asymptomatic. As noted in the study shown at the top of this page, 74% of the COVID-positive people in a recent study had been “jabbed” — this, in a country where only seventy percent of the population has even started a vax program. There is increasing evidence that none of the “jabs” offer much protection against the “Delta” variant and, in fact, might even be aiding in the transmission of Delta. The Pfizer shot loses 80% of its effectiveness after six months.

This does not necessarily mean that the not-quite-vaccines are failures. At least not in the scientific sense. What did Edison say? “I have not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that won’t work.” The only thing separating the mRNA vax program from any other normal clinical trial was the scope of the first dosages — and, of course, the ways by which the “control group” has become thoroughly dehumanized and alienated. The next round of mRNA vaccines might, in fact, work better. Alternately, another method might be found. That’s the scientific process for you.

The problem is that much of America has effectively zero acquaintance with actual science of any kind, thanks to a national scholastic philosophy that has long prioritized indoctrination over education. Instead, you read a lot about “trusting the science”. What a ridiculous concept! By definition, science does not require trust, except in the rare case of test pilots and whatnot. Religion requires trust, and we call that trust “faith”. But if you find yourself thinking about “science” the way the Greeks thought about the Oracle of Delphi, then you’re very far away from anything that resembles science. You may choose to “trust” the mRNA COVID-19 therapy, but your trust in no way affects the outcome. Your “trust” is not required for: orbital calculations, large-scale chemical production, mathematical proofs. No actual scientist possesses any quality remotely akin to “trusting”.

(For the record, I blame television advertising, which has long used actors-portraying-scientists for the purposes of attaching instant credibility to various consumer products. Thus effectively teaching normies that “scientists” are, in fact, oracular characters who can dispense wisdom from on high and who therefore require a public demonstration of “trust” via the consumption of the advertised product.)

True science is also perfectly comfortable with ambiguity — but our profoundly unscientific chattering class is not, so the media has been force-feeding Americans endless tales of “vaccine regret” over the past few weeks. It is difficult to know how many of these articles are true; in many cases the “vaccine regret” is reported as being told to an anonymous care worker immediately before death. Stories like this were once used to “prove” the existence of God, Satan, or angels; now they are used to reinforce the modern catechism of COVID. Mashable just ran an utterly insane article about how the failure of a capeshit movie should be laid at the feet of “anti-vaxxers”. Well, that settles it, right? If a vaccine mandate is all that stands between us and the guaranteed success of superhero films, then let’s get Lon Horiuchi out there with a vax gun!

I have heard it theorized that part of this omnipresent manufactured support for vaccine mandates comes from a uniquely human emotion: some of the people who willingly got vaccinated now have concerns about the long-term effects of said vaccination, so they want to make sure everyone is in the same boat. Is that true? Who knows. History will almost certainly see COVID-19 as a relatively insignificant disease that killed something like one in every 1,800 people — but they will also probably see it as one of the final prybars that managed to wedge American society into the completely incompatible sections that will likely be doing battle of some sort in the decades to come.

About thirty times less deadly than the Spanish Flu — in modern terms, that means it was thirty times more “safe and secure” than the Spanish Flu — this coronavirus has managed to break America in a way that the 1918 pandemic couldn’t come close to doing. Because we were already broken beforehand. National unity is like physical health. It’s easier to harm than it is to heal. Every war you win, every moon landing, every Interstate highway system you complete? Think of those as vaccines of a sort, against division and hatred. We’ve gone a long time without one of those booster shots, but we’ve sure been busy making reckless changes to the country while also eagerly consuming every bit of violent political rhetoric we can find. The best single example I can find? Instead of 1980’s “Miracle On Ice” US hockey team, we have the 2021 US Women’s National Team for soccer, a group of people who either openly despise the best of America or are openly despised by the worst America, depending on whom you ask. We may yet “beat” COVID-19, whether through “science” or through simple human immune defense — but our country is sick, and there’s no chance of healing on the horizon.

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Last week I wrote about taxing and spending.

105 Replies to “(Last) Weekly Roundup: Delta Farce Edition”

  1. I COME IN PEACE

    If you’ve got ~20 min. to kill, this is an interesting video – the mass psychosis everyone is getting sucked into.

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  2. anatoly arutunoff

    we have a doctor friend…3 actually but this particular man we are in frequent contact with. he’s a retired surgeon, arguably the best in america in his highly intricate specialty. he is not vaxed; his wife also. they know of several hundred positive Covid test subjects who, with the use of those cheap available drugs, have not needed to go to a hospital. it’s of course quite possible is that almost none of those people even had the virus due to the over-repetitive nature of the test analyst process. there is a ‘doctors underground’ whose members obviously keep their heads down to avoid all kinds of (evil) repercussions and who communicate with one another of course. we all have our stashes of the useful drugs, as well as taking c, d, and zinc. my wife had it for about a month a year and a half ago, before it was ‘popular.’ she had every symptom except breathing problems, because she’s an occasional smoker. do you remember the tv interview with a doctor at the beginning of all this, when he said ‘smokers are highly statistically underrepresented in hospital admissions,’ and that maybe they should slap a nicotine patch on every hospital admission? she had it; I was exposed to it; no way are we getting the shot–we have the pills that work! be well!

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  3. link3721

    C’mon Jack, there’s so many dumb headlines that cherry pick a statistic without contextualizing the actual results of the studies. The overwhelming evidence is that the vaccines keep people from going to the hospital and dying of COVID, regardless of the variant. Yes there are breakthrough cases but those are expected and those people don’t die. The data also shows that states with lover vaccination rates have increased hospitalization and mortality rates. Additionally, any side effects show up within a few months of vaccination, there’s no evidence of long term side effects.

    I’m not a crazy lefty either, I’m happy to throw shit at both sides from my place in the middle. I don’t agree with government mask mandates and forced vaccination doesn’t feel right. I do feel that downplaying the vaccines, which are society’s best tool against the worst nature throws at us and have been transformational throughout history, is only going to cause even more people to die.

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    • Scott

      Theres no evidence of ling term side effects because we’re working in a timeline of 6-8 months. In no world is that considered long enough term to know.

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      • link3721

        I’m talking vaccines in general. We’ve been developing vaccines for a long time and there is no evidence for long term side effects in any previous vaccine. There’s no good reason to expect the mRNA vaccines to be different.

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        • silentsod

          That’s an unreasonable approach.

          A novel method of therapy* delivered in a novel manner is definitionally unlike what we have prior experience with and therefore should be viewed with skepticism especially because various medical interventions have effects which take years to present themselves. Thalidomide comes readily to mind and there are others. This is more or less mistaking absence of evidence for evidence of absence. You don’t need to be a specialist in anything to understand that humans are generally bad at novelty and understanding long term risk vs short term benefits.

          *these do not appear to be sterilizing vaccines and increase the likelihood of escaped variants.

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        • silentsod

          Remember the therapies were also oversold as being 90%+ effective and providing long term immunity. They even mentioned variants in the articles.

          In the meantime, naturally acquired immunity seems about normal in that it does appear to have long lasting memory and response without significant degradation in the short term. That has been true for the history of humanity and it should be unsurprising.

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    • Jack Baruth Post author

      You’re right, of course — but the other choice would have been to run the Vox headline that deliberately used pre-Delta data to make it look like 97% of new infections were from the unvaxed.

      Regarding long-term effects… thalidomide was thought to be perfectly safe for FOUR AND A HALF YEARS. We have no idea what the long-term effects of the mRNA vector are. They could range from the so-called ADE to permanent infertility to cancer. Not saying that any of these are actually going to be the case, but only a fool would argue their impossibility.

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      • KoR

        There are dozens of headlines you can use that are not sensational, but they don’t grab the attention of the reader. Fine, that’s how things work. You could at least provide the necessary context before launching into whatever vendetta you have formed against the concept of a vaccine and the political establishment. Or don’t do that because it would go against your narrative, I guess.

        Jack, I gotta say I’m a bit confused. Historically speaking you tend to focus on hard numbers across any number of issues (social, automotive, whatever) rather than emotion.

        If the hard numbers we have currently say that the vaccines prevent serious illness/hospitalization and death for virtually every person that gets it, is that not good because there’s a faint chance that it MIGHT cause some sort of side-effect at some indeterminate point in the future?

        And your evidence is some entirely unrelated piece of medicine that was developed like 60 years ago? Idk man. These vaccines were all put through trials, and passed. Side-effects HAVE occurred, but have been either extremely minor or so rare you can count them in full across all ten of your fingers without reaching for your toes..

        I may not know a lot, but the numbers staring me in the face would that isn’t too shabby for hundreds of millions of people having been vaccinated.

        Not used to these types of rebuttals from you. I typically disagree with the things you say, but I can at least respect the doggedly pragmatic approach you take to them. This is… not that.

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        • silentsod

          KoR, what is iatrogenics and why might it apply in this case?

          A reasonable person would apply unknown therapies to those most at risk. To put it coldly – an 80 year old having an adverse reaction to a treatment on any level won’t have as much to lose as a teenager/20/30/40 yo experiencing similar (incl if there are reproductive impacts which is unknown). The majority of the population is not at high risk and pushing a novel intervention, while it might turn out dandy and we should hope that it does, can contain unknown dangers include long term knock on effects.

          To suggest we know everything that can happen and are certain that those things won’t occur because of a short trial period is missing the point – which is that new things thought to be safe for a time can turn out to have severe consequences later on.

          COVID-19 isn’t the threat it was sold as early last year and behaving as if it is with what we know is absurd and only possible thanks to endless propaganda.

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          • jeano

            mRNA vaccines have been used for at least a decade in trials with no concerns of note. Exactly how long do you propose we wait to okay them in principle?

          • Jack Baruth Post author

            Which raises the question: what was stopping the approval before? The FDA rarely requires a DECADE of success.

        • Jack Baruth Post author

          You’re doing such a good job of filet-o-fishing me (on my own site!) that I hate to see you stretch into claiming that I am against “the concept of a vaccine”. I’m certainly not against the concept of a vaccine. And I’m certainly not against any vaccine that meets reasonable standards for safety, administered in a forthright and fair fashion.

          The numbers suggest that the vaccine isn’t that harmful to the ADULTS who take it. But the numbers ALSO suggest that SARS-COV2 isn’t that harmful to healthy adults under the age of 70. The death rate is something like one in five thousand non-Boomers.

          So with all of these numbers in mind, is it reasonable to approach the current GovCorp strategy with suspicion? I’d say so. And we KNOW this suspicion is reasonable because it keeps getting recast in the media as some bullshit about 5G chips and graphite powder. If the concerns were risible by nature they wouldn’t require exaggeration to be mocked on television.

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        • yossarian

          how about this one from the wall street journal
          “Israel, Widely Vaccinated, Suffers Another Covid-19 Surge”

          this part really caught my attention:
          “There has been a jump in Israel in cases of severe illness caused by the virus since the start of August, doubling to 400 in a population of 9 million, with 240 of those patients already having been vaccinated. ”

          here’s the full article:
          https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-80-vaccinated-suffers-another-covid-19-surge-11628769603

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  4. KoR

    Oy. You’re really gonna throw out the entire context of that headline? The specific town in Massachusetts where that number came from has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country. It makes sense, then, that since the vast majority of people are vaccinated, the vast majority of positive cases would be those have been vaccinated.

    Also, and I know we here tend to poo-poo any headline that disagrees with our respective narratives, but the numbers of vaccinated people are wildly lower than the unvaccinated. To the point where any risk of testing positive for the disease, let alone dying of it, is a statistical anomaly once vaccinated.

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    • Scott

      If a town has a 100% vaccination rate of mmr and the highest incidence of measles, id come to the conclusion the vaccine doesnt work but we never see something like this with the measles. Those happen in places with low vaccination rates

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      • Power6

        I don’t think one can really keep up with all the science so I try to follow sources I find credible. One of those is ZDoggMD on YouTube. I found it very interesting about measles he made the comparison in his last video about variants and vaccines. I guess the difference between a mucosal coronavirus and a blood infecting virus like measles is: recovery or vaccine, you get full immunity against measles, likely for life. It’s not expected that you get immunity to that level with recovery or a vaccine with a coronavirus. But preventing hospitalization or death is pretty good. The cape study makes a good headline but the numbers are still in favor of the vaccine, I think 3% of delta variant hospitalizations are vaccinated people? It seems the CDC is concerned about the spreading of the highly contagious variant. It seems if you are looking for it you will find it everywhere!

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    • Jack Baruth Post author

      “It makes sense, then, that since the vast majority of people are vaccinated, the vast majority of positive cases would be those have been vaccinated. ”

      This is only true if the vaccine is palliative, not preventative. It’s certainly not the case with other vaccines.

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  5. Newbie Jeff

    “…but our country is sick, and there’s no chance of healing on the horizon”

    A coherent, sobering bottom line. Some have seen this coming for quite a while now: America is more “progressive” than it’s ever been, and things are as bad as they’ve been since… the civil war? I don’t think it can be easily discarded by any sane person that the Democratic Party runs the entire federal government, its agenda is deeply entrenched and vertically integrated in American society, and that the progressive movement is the preeminent activist community… if things suck, maybe it’s the fault of those who control every facet of our culture and society? But, as Jack hints, the American Left won’t give up the pursuit of their totalitarian state. The irony is, it won’t be long before guns, religion, and Dodge pickups will be the only things worth clinging to…

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  6. Ryan

    In addition to the “use tax” PoC, this “bipartisan” infrastructure bull also has provisions to effectively require driver monitoring systems in automobiles. The overall goal is to develop a standard to “passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired,” as well as “prevent or limit motor vehicle operation” if you are deemed to be “impaired.”

    https://archive.is/ycQNe

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    • CJinSD

      Cuomo fell on his sword today to distract from the atrocity that is the pedocrats’ authoritarian ‘infrastructure’ bill.

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      • Newbie Jeff

        I was also thinking that the “nursing home scandal” is probably far worse than what’s currently known… turning Cuomo into a sexual predator makes him an easy scapegoat for what is likely the NY state democratic party’s direct responsibility for thousands of coronavirus deaths…

        Also, a friend of mine noted that a woman will replace Cuomo. So double score for America’s progressive authoritarians.

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        • Ronnie Schreiber

          Yeah, Andrew Cuomo got away with murder. Now that he’s resigned, I doubt New York Democrats will want to dig into the nursing home issue.

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          • stingray65

            I wonder how his resignation will effect his book sales? I wonder if his publisher is still satisfied with the return they are getting on the $5+ million advance they gave him to write about how to become a hero by killing off the elderly?

        • Rick T.

          I listen to NPR sometimes so you don’t have to. They are framing the granny killings only as a failure to report the deaths scandal. I assume other media outlets are doing the same.

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          • stingray65

            Nixon was forced to resign for a failure to report a two-bit burglary than involved no deaths or injuries to anyone. I was too young to listen to NPR at the time, but I’m sure they framed it as the crime of the century.

      • Ryan

        Funny how that works. The same thing happened here in Michigan with regards to nursing homes and it too got swept under the rug.

        Once you begin to notice the pattern of the media burying stories with other “news,” it’s hard to not see it. I’d say the Cuomo thing AND the Infrastructure Bill are working to suppress other happenings. What those happenings are, I cannot say. The nursing home story is definitely one of them, IMO.

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  7. Ronnie Schreiber

    Even if a vaccine is 95% effective, as Pfizer originally claimed, with well over 100 million people vaccinated, that means the 5% of people for whom the vaccine isn’t effective is going to be millions of people.

    All along, I’ve said that we should be focusing on hospitalizations and deaths, not raw case numbers. For all the panicmongers’ work, the death rate, even from the delta variant, is now pretty low.

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    • John Wagner

      Yep. The preposterously large total case numbers are scary, but the hospitalizations and death rates ESPECIALLY among the vaccinated are trivial at worst.

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    • Daniel J

      While hospitalizations have increased significantly, the death rate that followed the same hospitalizations from last November spike which for us is very similar to the spike we have now, was about 10x that of the current death rate – to hospitalizations.

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  8. Ronnie Schreiber

    For what it’s worth, I think I may have gotten the Delta variant a couple of weeks ago. I was vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine months ago. About two weeks ago I started to get a persistant dry cough for a day. The next day it changed to sneezing and a runny nose, more like cold symptoms, but I felt terrible and kind of fluish, even though I never felt hot enough to actually take my temperature. I ended up spending most of the day in bed. Then it took days to get over what I first thought was just a bad cold. I’d say it took about three days until I felt like I was getting over the symptoms, but even now, two weeks later, I’m still a little congested.

    Bad cold? Mild flu? Covid variant?

    I guess an antibody test might tell, but I don’t know if the tests can distinguish between antibodies provoked by the mRNA vaccine and those by the actual virus.

    In any case, it goes against everything we’ve learned since Pasteur to think that someone who has recovered from a virus needs vaccination.

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    • Power6

      It doesn’t go against anything at all look up ZDoggMD on YouTube he has a great explanation of why for the coronavirus type, recovery and vaccination are not total immunity. Not all virus are the same. Too simple an analysis.

      This is a problem, too much nuance to get to the truth of anything, and we all want simple questions and answers. Nothing I have ever studied has become simpler the more I know about it, it always becomes more complex.

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  9. Power6

    Don’t drag Mass into this buddy we’re fine over here! No mask mandate, take your risk as you like. I haven’t put mine back on and no dirty looks yet but any day now I’m expecting I might get some. Don’t worry about the cape it’s a flawed study and the hypothesis being tested was not even related to the conclusions being drawn from the headline.

    I don’t know about the trump tirade to open it up, I agree with all of it, just seems like the time to put that down and agree they are all screwing us while the mainstream media fans the flames. Who could pick one team over the other is beyond me. You used to talk about getting screwed from both sides what happened man 😉

    Back to this cape cod and faith thing, I think you do have to have faith in science, not because it should work that way but there is no other choice. Our problem is time, who has time to read and evaluate this science stuff. Would be a full time job that I’m not qualified for anyways and I already have like 3 of those. And weirdly enough I don’t think COVID is my greatest worry. Full disclosure I’m recovered and vaccinated (bring on the variants). So you have to end up trusting in some analysis and I got my sources. Other people have theirs and I respect that but the splinternet don’t make that easy.

    I’m struggling if I pretend I’m in charge and think of what should be done. The science right now seems to point in the direction of shit keep happening until we vaccinated more. I’m fine with doing nothing though, let’s all go on, you pick vax or not and my condolences if you die. You probably won’t either way depending on age. But we have younger kids where we can’t make our own choice yet. My daughter is recovered though so personally I’m just not worried. I think of this like motorcycle helmets, go ahead and go without one or get one of them beanie caps but I don’t want to pay in my insurance rates if you want to be stupid and it doesn’t work out for you.

    But now that I think about it, are there any unvaccinated people who want anything other than just getting back to it and managing their own risk? Here is where my wife will bring up the under 12 children and the immune-compromised that don’t have a choice.

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    • Jack Baruth Post author

      ” Who could pick one team over the other is beyond me. You used to talk about getting screwed from both sides what happened man ”

      I think what happened is that the two sides coalesced into one side. This “bipartisan infrastructure bill” is an FDR-level re-engineering of the American fiscal and tax system… but it passed with plenty of Republican support. I don’t see much difference between the R leadership and the D leadership. The last fellow to offer an alternative to the Uniparty is going to be hounded into his grave as his supporters weep in their prison cells.

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      • TAFKADG

        Yup. Can’t wait to see what changes they make to “”protect voter rights”” once the Midterm Variant hits next summer.

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  10. hank chinaski

    The jab, not being a dead or weakened live pathogen, is not officially a vaccine. It’s gene therapy.
    Now that it is seen to not stop transmission, there is no rationale for mandates. If safe and effective in mitigating symptoms and reducing fatalities in the infected, it is therefore a treatment and does not even serve the purpose of a ‘vaccine’ in the general population. There is something ominous afoot. Best case scenario is all this is simply financial fuckery on the part of big pharma and their shills in government.

    Andy got the boot because he was a risk to primary Harris after they 25th Dementia Joe, and to open a path for Governor James.

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  11. Dirty Dingus McGee

    I haven’t got the “jab” and have no intention of getting it. I was in the hospital for 8 days a couple months ago with a bad blood infection(white blood cell count over 23,000). According to the surgeon if I had waited another 4-5 days I would likely have been in the morgue instead of the hospital. Is it possible they snuck in the vaccination in one of the myriad IV’s( up to 4 at a time for 4 days) I was hooked up to? Possible but not very likely, same with the insulin shots I was getting(blood sugar was at 513 when I was admitted). I have had to be tested 4 times for the Kung Flu since, and show no sign of it, despite being around folks who have tested positive(spoiler alert, they are all still processing oxygen). Is it possible I have a natural immunity? Is it the 2-3 small cigars I smoke each day, or the 2-3 cigarettes I also smoke? Who the hell can say for sure.

    I have the same opinion on the mask they seem intent on everyone wearing. I wear a far better piece of equipment when I’m painting and I can SEE those particles. But a piece of (basically) t-shirt material is going to protect me from the deadliest disease in the history of the world? GTFOH.

    But if it makes you feel better to get the jab, wear a doily on your face, or stay locked in your house, have at it. I’ve cheated the buzzards out of a meal for the third time in my life but know that one day they will feast. It doesn’t matter to me how I go, or really even WHEN I go, I’ll live and die, as best I can manage, on my terms.

    This isn’t a dress rehearsal, nobody gets out alive.

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    • stingray65

      Glad you are felling better, but how many people waited an extra few days/weeks/months before getting treatment for heart pain, or a cough or ache because they didn’t want to get Covid in the hospital, and then found out they had cancer, or heart disease, or some killer infection that is now too far along to treat? The Covid particle is so small it will go through any mask commonly available – and that is assuming the mask wearer has it on properly. The best analogy I have heard is that using a mask to stop Covid is like using a chain link fence to stop mosquitos – there was once a few videos on YouTube demonstrating the hopelessness of masks, but of course for our safety they have all been removed.

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      • Dirty Dingus McGee

        “how many people waited an extra few days/weeks”

        Count me in that group. Being a typical male, “it’ll get better”, and knowing that a hospital is a breeding ground for EVERY disease and virus there is, I waited too long.

        One thing that was surprising, while in my cell/room I wasn’t required to mask up. Going out of the room for CT scan, on the way to surgery, etc. yes. But not while I was in my room, even when I had visitors.They had to wear the face diaper, but I didn’t.

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  12. TJ

    Well Jack, since I can’t comment at the insurance site, and I can’t seem to find your email anywhere, I’ll make the offer here, and trust you can figure out how to get in touch if you want to take me up on the offer. Although, perhaps a week ago would have been better.

    Next time you find yourself in New Mexico, I have a 2021 F150 with the 2.7 Ecoboost, we can do some compare-and-contrast somewhere in the greater Albuquerque area. And/or, If you prefer, there is also a 1976 Midget sitting my garage as well–just maybe don’t mention to your employer that I offered to let you drive something they insure.

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    • Jack Baruth Post author

      I’ll take you up on this. We will likely return to Angel Fire when they open in 2022. Thank you!

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  13. Pete Zaitcev

    For some reason the Avoidable Contact #12 didn’t show in Hagerty’s RSS feed for me. I didn’t know it existed until I saw the link above. Note that it’s the feed that the page of Avoidable Contact tells the reader with a rel=, so I don’t have a fix on the user’s side. I suppose it remains to be seen if it is a glitch or the whole column is not reflected in the feed. The author is not blacklisted: the “It’s the white flag lap for your chance to win a Global MX-5 Cup Car with Lemons of Love” is present. Perhaps a sysadmin at Hagerty forgot to add Avoidable Contact to some list from which the list is generated?

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    • silentsod

      Their site seems like a kitbash, if you will, and it’s been wobbly from the start and not getting better from my experience.

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      • Jack Baruth Post author

        I arrived at the job thinking that my twenty-six years’ experience of developing websites would prove to be useful, but in fact I have zero say over what happens with regards to tech and design. I understand and accept the corporate reasons for this, but my site has had less downtime in six years than the Hagerty site experiences in any given month.

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  14. S2k Chris

    I got my double shot back in March/April, less out of concern (I already had Covid, it was a nonevent aside from eggs now tasting bad to me) and more as a license to do what I want now. Yeah I should be a good little libertarian patriot and stand up for mah rights but let’s face it, no one wants to be a social leper. At the end of the day I figured I’ve eaten, drunk, smoked, etc so much sketchy s—- that a little 20ccs of vax aren’t going to hurt me. I’d be more scared of what’s in my occasional Taco Bell order than anything Moderna cooked up.

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  15. sgeffe

    Where is the Janssen/J&J vaccine in all this, a more conventional shot versus the mRNA variants?

    I got that one in early April. No immediate side-effects. But 12 hours after, almost to the minute, at 3:00am, I woke up with chills and fever, and generally felt like crap! That lasted a day, knocked down with ibuprofen. Nothing since!

    But here’s another wrinkle! In early December of 2019, a month before we ever heard of COVID-19, I got a flu-like something-or-other which put me home from work for a couple days, but it didn’t affect my appetite like the flu usually does; it was more of a big fatigue thing mixed with a little bit of a fever. But immediately following that, I developed the worst cough I’d experienced in years, which lasted a good three weeks, finally abating around Christmas. A colleague had the same thing, but a worse fever, the worst he’d had in years, and a cough so bad that he thought he’d broken a rib!

    I had asked for, but never received, an antibody test to determine if I had early COVID-19. I wonder if there’s a test to determine if you have T-cells for COVID-19? I don’t recall where I’d heard it, but I was under the understanding that a reaction like I experienced to the J&J wasn’t unexpected, and if it was a little worse than mild fatigue, that could be an indication of previous COVID-19 exposure.

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    • Gary

      I got properly fucked up by both doses of the Moderna shot (102 fever for 2 days, headaches lasting weeks). At my second shot, the nurse giving it to me said I must have had Covid to have felt that shitty from the first dose.

      Who knows. I worked full time all year without missing a day, in direct contact with sick people and the general public and the only time I got sick was from the shots 🙂

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      • NoID

        Gary, this is exactly what I’m trying to avoid. I’ve been working from home since March 2020, but my kids were learning in-person all year and my wife was teaching in-person as well, and we were exposed NUMEROUS times without being infected. The last thing I want is to get laid up a few days with COVID-like symptoms to avoid getting COVID-like symptoms…

        I’ll get the vaccine once it is FDA approved, and even then I’d rather get the “classic” J&J vaccine if/when it is available than the mRNA one for all the reasons stated by someone above.

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    • yossarian

      similar story. i had covid symptoms march 2020. i’m a big vitamin user so i had plenty of vitamin c, d & zinc in my system. rarely get flu-like illnesses. it hit me one afternoon like a sledge hammer. i went home downed an extra 3g of vitamin c and two doses of concentrated oregano oil. went to bed before dinner. i woke up at 1 am with my t-shirt completely soaked with sweat. next morning, i felt fine but had a lingering dry cough for 3 weeks. i did do a t-cell test in june 2021 but it didn’t show any signs of previous infection. who knows…

      now my employer has mandated vaccines. i need the job so i’ve decided to get jabbed this week. i’m going for the j&j and have already started bulking up on nac, quercitin, bromaine and resveratrol.

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  16. John C.

    I wish the vaccine worked as promised, having got the double Moderna and the CDC card to prove it laminated to show when necessary.. My adult daughter, having got her second Pfizer shot in May, is today suffering a mild-medium case, no smell or taste, fever but thankfully no hospital, of what they told her was breakthrough delta. Lets face it, that was not what was promised. When the in power left loses it’s faith in the vaccine, it will probably lead to rolling strict lockdowns with no end in sight, and no passport to show to avoid. There is of course the ballot box, but I lost my faith in those at 3:00 AM the morning after the last election seeing the Democratic machine city ballot dumps. Its the worst of all worlds, with a real disease out there that has to be ridden out indefinitely and the no holes barred political leadership with a similar indefinite mandate.

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  17. dejal

    To the best of my knowledge no one in that 74% has died.

    How about this headline from MassLive this morning?
    “Percentage of COVID vaccinated people testing positive in Massachusetts is now 0.23%, new data shows”
    And this, in the story: “Of hospitalizations, a cumulative 445, or .01%, were people who were fully vaccinated.”

    From the Boston Herald: “Massachusetts coronavirus breakthrough deaths: 73% had underlying conditions, median age was 82.5
    There have been 100 breakthrough case deaths in the state”

    Looks like you can catch COVID after being jabbed. Also looks like a “Who the blank cares?”

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    • Dirty Dingus McGee

      “Looks like you can catch COVID after being jabbed”.
      I think thats pretty much established at this point. The problem, as I see it, the vaccine’s were rushed out with little to no clinical trials. Therefore we the people are the test for it’s efficiency. Not the best way to go, again in my opinion.

      The second issue is; virus’s mutate. Always have, always will and this one is already. So now the big pharma’s are playing “catch up”, and still using we the people as the test subjects. I have no interest in being a lab rat for their test’s, so I’ll skip the jab. Kinda like a flu shot. The companys, and others, try to plan for what they THINK the next years variant will be, and design the shot accordingly. Sometimes it’s close enough, other times not so much.

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  18. stingray65

    First the “experts” told us we needed to lock down for 2 weeks to flatten the curve. Then the “experts” told us we need to lock-down indefinitely until a vaccine could be developed, which the experts said might take several years. Trump said the virus originated in a Chinese lab, but that he would push through a crash program to have a vaccine by the end of 2020 and the “experts” laughed and said he was crazy. Trump delivers the vaccine and the “experts” tell us it might not be safe because it was developed under Trump. When Biden takes office (after the fairest election in history), the “experts” tell us the vaccine is safe and urge everyone to get vaccinated pronto including those who have already had Covid and have natural immunity. Biden tells us life will go back to normal when most people are vaccinated, but then the “experts” tell us that even the vaccinated should mask up, maintain social distance, work from home, and keep the kids away from school. Then the “experts” tell us most new cases of Covid are among the vaccinated, but that as usual most serious cases of Covid are among the sick and elderly, and urges parents and schools to vaccinate young children. The “experts” tell us that the big Harley rally in Sturgis is a super-spreader event, but have no warnings or fears about Obama’s maskless birthday party or the thousands of Covid infected illegals being shipped all over the country by the federal government. The “experts” are full of shit.

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    • John C.

      Yes Stingray, the experts are often wrong. Remember though when you cited here some rando from the Hoover think tank named Richard Epstein, a fellow you assured us was smarter than any of us, that circa 1200 Americans would die in total from corona virus. Don’t throw rocks from glass houses.

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      • stingray65

        I’m not sure he was as wrong as you might think. The number of people who have died from Covid with no other known co-morbidities is 6% last I heard, and the average Covid victim is somewhere in the mid-70s to mid-80 depending on the country/state with more than one co-morbidity. So like the California fires, Covid has mostly used near dead wood for fuel and I expect we will see lower than usual death rates over the next few years because the dead wood has been cleared out. On the other hand, Covid lock-downs have killed uncounted thousands in the prime of life from drug abuse, suicide, domestic abuse, untreated non-Covid illness, and cost trillions in lost businesses, and government deficits, so I think Epstein’s viewpoint was a lot closer to reality than the “experts” who have told us without evidence that multi-month lockdowns were necessary to prevent many millions of deaths.

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        • John C.

          Did your opinion of Juris Doctor Epstein decline when he lead you astray or did you continue your man crush in the style of Alissa Milano for the expert scarf woman Dr. Birx? You must realize that a fat diabetic old fart dying of a heart attack is still a person who died of a heart attack.

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          • stingray65

            No, according to the counters at the CDC, a fat diabetic old fart dying of a heart attack with Covid, died from Covid, as did the gang-banger with a 45 slug in his chest and Covid, and the motorcycle rider with Covid who died after colliding with an 18 wheeler. In fact, the only person I’ve heard about who died with Covid that wasn’t counted as a Covid victim was George Floyd, although the hundreds who have died during “peaceful” protests in his honor should perhaps be counted as Covid victims.

  19. MD Streeter

    Since I think context is important, I want to point out that the Provincetown case count was likely exacerbated by Bear Week, a week I was initially surprised to find out had absolutely nothing to do with wildlife. At this event, I am willing to make a modest wager that there were some risky behaviors going on in close quarters and that they are not representative at all of what most other Americans experience in their daily lives. This, we really should not be extrapolating the Provincetown numbers out to the rest of us.

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    • Bon Ivermectin

      That’s somewhat beside the point.

      The main issue right now is open and widespread violations of Point 1 of Nuremberg Code by government, universities, employers and even grocery stores (even in Neuremberg itself: https://www.bunte.de/family/leben/haertere-regeln-ab-herbst-was-sich-beim-einkaufen-im-kino-und-beim-friseur-aendern-soll.html). An effective traditional vaccine would provide sterilizing immunity, under which case it could be argued that reducing harm to others overrides individual choice. Given that we have clear and convincing evidence that the vaccine does *NOT* eliminate transmission, there is no reason to force it on people.

      Given that this virus is airborne (and not sexually transmitted) means that behavioral differences probably will not matter as much as it did with HIV (and even with HIV, not only are the network effects of partner counts astronomically different, but natural intercourse is much less likely to result in transmission than sodomy).

      Lastly, although this particular incident occurred within a subculture, the events in the UK and Israel tend to lead us, and they are producing ample data about the effects on the general population.

      July 2:
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-vaccinated-people-are-dying-of-covid-19-heres-why-scientists-arent-surprised-11625227200
      Data from Public Health England show that there were 117 deaths among 92,000 Delta cases logged through June 21. Fifty of those—46%—had received two shots of vaccine.

      August 1:
      https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/coronavirus-delta-variant-is-50-percent-more-infectious-israeli-top-official-says-1.10068650

      August 6 (The Telegraph):
      https://archive.is/RtK8h
      Fully vaccinated and unvaccinated ‘can both transmit Covid’
      Public Health England findings on similar viral loads spark fears that jabs will not suppress spread as much as hoped

      August 10 (The Telegraph):
      https://archive.is/VGzFE
      Delta variant has wrecked hopes of herd immunity, warn scientists
      There is no way of stopping Covid spreading through the entire population, experts tell MPs as they call for end of mass testing

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    • hank chinaski

      Feature, not bug. Cherry pick and manipulate evidence that fits the narrative, deboooonk/ bury/vilify any that doesn’t.

      Globohomo Corpos gleefully take on the dirty work that FedGov can’t (again). The upcoming wave of job terminations will really stick it to the Kulaks that survived the first lockdowns.

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    • Jack Baruth Post author

      We are coming very close to the day where you can lose your job for saying anything about “bears” and disease. In fact I suspect we are already there.

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  20. Rick T.

    I don’t believe it’s the unvaccinated that are the risk now for causing new variants; it’s more likely the vaccinated that put evolutionary pressures on the virus. I think we may be possibly setting ourselves up for more variants by drawing out the pandemic with all the safety measures instead of protecting the vulnerable and letting it burn through quickly.

    I believe naturally acquired immunity is superior to immunity acquired by exposure to only one of the virus’ proteins, the S which is most likely to mutate. Related, I understand that the measles virus cannot mutate so comparisons are inapt.

    Cheap masks from China level quality controls don’t really work but wear one if it makes you feel like you are accomplishing something besides breathing back in all the bad stuff your body expels. Politicians don’t care about your children past the next election. Any of the physical/psychological negatives from masking and remote “learning” will show up after they are out of office and likely won’t really show up in hard statistics anyway.

    Finally, coronavirus gonna coronavirus. It’s an act of extreme hubris to think otherwise.

    Full disclosure: 68 yo who could stand to lose 15 pounds but otherwise no comorbidies. Got a moderate Covid last New Year’s but following all recommended safety measures. No way in hell vaccinated.

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    • stingray65

      You can’t hide the whole population from a virus, so it was stupid to lock-down the whole economy and slow the development of herd immunity through infection of the non-threatened population. It’s been known since at least March 2020 that Covid was only threatening to the very elderly usually with comorbidities and somewhat younger with serious comorbities, who could have been isolated relatively easily while the rest of us went through our few days of flu and developed immunity that is far stronger than the vaccines provide. Instead, most of the Democrat governors sent the sick to nursing homes and locked everyone else up for 1.5 years and ended up with the highest death rates while the media celebrated them as heroes (at least until 11 women accuse them of sexual harassment).

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  21. Wi Tu Lo, Co-Pilot

    Mind if I go off topic?

    You yourself said one of your very favorite activities in this life was (on a road circuit) blocking the car behind you, using your acquired race craft and prick skills.

    Would like your opinion on F Alonso vs L Hamilton recently; was that not blocking supreme? Or just F1 show biz.

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      • CJinSD

        I guess pulling over for Lewis like Lando Norris most recently did in Silverstone is just good etiquette. Or maybe it is only the responsibility of the seven drivers who serve as Hamilton-Benz’s B-squad.

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  22. TangoWhiskey

    Jack lost in all this is that my High School mascot got booted by all the liberals in the town I grew up in.
    And this is related because it’s Acton-Boxborough high school which is located in my former beloved commonwealth of Massachusetts. Oh and case you were wondering the offending Mascot is called the Colonials.
    Thank God I live in South Carolina now.

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  23. Nick D

    I’d just like to know what automotive “brand partner” Riverside Green plans to secure to keep pace with MT.

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      • Ark-med

        Jeez, how many manufactures like that remain? Quite a few—if you count the S90 as a full-sizer—about eleven. Thing is that neither Cadillac or Lincoln have one of those—though the Escalade and the Navigator are great, just freaking great.

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        • Jack Baruth Post author

          Remaining full sized cars in the opinion of your host:

          S-Class
          7 series
          A8
          G90
          LS500 (just barely, it’s hardly any more spacious up front than an IS350)
          Kia K900

          That’s about it. CT6, Continental, and RLX are gone. Truth be told they were all more like pocket battleships than ships of the line anyway.

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  24. Daniel J

    These people are racists, right? I mean, last I checked only 25 percent of minorities are vaccinated. Of course, from what I have seen reported, is that vax passport enforcement will only occur in heavily white areas. Doesn’t that make everyone feel good?

    I have been confused about this since the vaccine was put out. Why do people who are vaxxed care about the unvaccinated? Do they care about other people’s well being? Doubtful. If its the burden on society (ie overflowing hospitals) that the unvaccinated present, isn’t this the same dang argument that many on the right have been talking about in regards to free healthcare? Ah….the left want their cake and eat it too. Hypocrisy to the finest.

    They pushed hard on the vaccines several months ago because the assumption was that people wouldn’t be carriers or at least significantly less so. Instead of pausing or at least taking a step back, they are going all in as if assuming the virus will just “go away’ if everyone gets vaccinated, which we know isn’t true in the very least.

    We saw the media spin the delta variant as something coming from the unvaccinated, which doesn’t make any sense since it started over in the middle east where vaccination rates are even higher than here. On top of all that, most scientists believe that the flu variants, for example, are a direct result of vaccinations. With most of these airborne viruses, we will continue to see variants, vaccines or not.

    And lastly, there is no mention from the left wing propaganda machine about those who’ve already had Covid, as research is showing that people who’ve had it are far more immune to symptoms, even moreso than vaccinated. Keep in mind, with the original studies of both mRNA vaccines, no one was tested with the vaccine who already had Covid. At that point, it was just an grand experiment with the general population.

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    • stingray65

      How it must feel to be a government loving Democrat constantly on the lookout for new ways that government can “fix” things by passing laws that take freedoms away usually under the pretense of helping minorities, only to find out time after time that minorities are the least likely groups to obey the laws and the most likely groups to defy police enforcement of the laws. The cops shot in Chicago over the weekend were killed by a gun purchased by a straw buyer and given/sold to the cop killing brothers, so why aren’t laws against straw buying guns enforced? Answer: because blacks and Hispanics would be the ones violating the law 90% of the time, so enforcing before someone get murdered would be racist. If the Dems pass a law forcing people to get jabbed, it will simply be another law that is selectively enforced (against whites and Asians) when it is mostly blacks and Hispanics who refuse to obey it.

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    • mas

      > I have been confused about this since the vaccine was put out. Why do people who are vaxxed care about the unvaccinated? Do they care about other people’s well being? Doubtful. If its the burden on society (ie overflowing hospitals) that the unvaccinated present, isn’t this the same dang argument that many on the right have been talking about in regards to free healthcare? Ah….the left want their cake and eat it too. Hypocrisy to the finest.

      The primary reason is that unvaccinated people essentially act like development labs for new variants of the virus, who, unlike the vaccines, doesn’t need FDA authorization to mutate and change to evade the vaccines.

      > And lastly, there is no mention from the left wing propaganda machine about those who’ve already had Covid, as research is showing that people who’ve had it are far more immune to symptoms, even moreso than vaccinated. Keep in mind, with the original studies of both mRNA vaccines, no one was tested with the vaccine who already had Covid. At that point, it was just an grand experiment with the general population.
      Actually, they did inject it to people with long covid, and it did their recoveries go much faster: https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/vaccines-long-covid

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      • silentsod

        I hate to break it to you but it’s likely weak vaccines are driving mutation and not natural immunity.

        Natural immunity targets more parts of a virus and some of it is random person to person which makes it much more difficult for a virus to mutate enough to stay viable and evade.

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        • CJinSD

          It’s amazing how some people have filters that protect them from ever acknowledging the truth. It would be astounding if we were seeing symptomatic cases of this virus in the summer without the…rushed vaccines.

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  25. CJinSD

    Courtesy of loyal PCS’r, Ann Marie Silva. 😀
    ABBOTT AND COSTELLO’S ‘WHO’S ON FIRST’ (2021 Version!)
    Bud: ‘You can’t come in here!’
    Lou: ‘Why not?’
    Bud: ‘Well because you’re unvaccinated.’
    Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’
    Bud: ‘It doesn’t matter.’
    Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’
    Bud: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’
    Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’
    Bud: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’
    Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’
    Bud: ‘Yes.’
    Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’
    Bud: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’
    Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’
    Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
    Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’
    Bud: ‘But they can still get sick.’
    Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’
    Bud: ‘It vaccinates.’
    Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread covid?’
    Bud: ‘Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’
    Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick.
    Bud: ‘Ok.’
    Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’
    Bud: ‘That’s right.’
    Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’
    Bud: ‘Certainly.’
    Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’
    Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
    Lou: ‘I’m not asking who’s vaccinated or not!’
    Bud: ‘I’m just telling you how it is.’
    Lou: ‘Never mind. I’ll just put on my mask.’
    Bud: ‘That’s fine.’
    Lou: ‘Now I can go in?’
    Bud: ‘Absolutely not?’
    Lou: ‘But I have a mask!’
    Bud: ‘Doesn’t matter.’
    Lou: ‘I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.’
    Bud: ‘I know.’
    Lou: So why can’t I come in here today with a mask? ….If you say ‘because I’m unvaccinated’ again, I’ll break your arm.’
    Bud: ‘Take it easy buddy.’
    Lou: ‘So the mask is no good anymore.’
    Bud: ‘No, it’s still good.’
    Lou: ‘But I can’t come in?’
    Bud: ‘Correct.’
    Lou: ‘Why not?’
    Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
    Lou: ‘But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.’
    Bud: ‘Yes, but people can still catch your germs.’
    Lou: ‘But they’re all vaccinated.’
    Bud: ‘Yes, but they can still get sick.’
    Lou: ‘But I’m not sick!!’
    Bud: ‘You can still get them sick.’
    Lou: ‘So then masks don’t work!’
    Bud: ‘Masks work quite well.’
    Lou: ‘So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I’m not sick and masks work?’
    Bud: ‘Third base.’
    DISCLAIMER: For entertainment purposes only. This is not medical advice. I’m not a doctor.

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  26. toly arutunoff

    people with antibodies from actual infection are the benchmark against which a vac’s efficiency is measured, I recently read. also an m.d./ph.d says the tax by targeting just one protein allows the virus to mutate faster than the virus in the unvaxed. we’ve got the cheap available meds on hand and one of us had it over a year ago so we’re not getting the vax. also kids got their shots in n.y. a few weeks ago and now have blah symptoms and test positive. what a fraud the avoidance of mentioning useful meds is!

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    • CJinSD

      Ultimately, it is bound to be a bad thing. Hagerty will end up in the hands of BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, and Capital Group; one group pretending to be four in order to give the media plausible deniability for failing to cover the fascist marriage between monopolistic authoritarian money and authoritarian politicians. Hopefully Jack will still have a means of sharing his views somewhere else.

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