(Last) Weekly Roundup: The Naked Hellscape Of Net Zero Edition

It sure is hard out here for a hillbilly conspiracy theorist nowadays, ain’t it? No matter how bat-you-know-what crazy your completely nutcase theory might be — there’s a pedophile island visited by Presidents! The United States directly supported gain-of-function coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute! The Chamber Of Commerce organized a secret coalition to subvert the 2020 election! — it almost immediately turns out to be true, either in whole or in part. Heck, even the oft-ridiculed trope about “the chemicals in the water are turning the frogs gay!” turns out to have some serious research behind it.

If you clicked the last link, you’ll see that Atrazine doesn’t turn male frogs gay, in the commonly understood sense of the word. Rather, it emasculates most of them and turns a percentage of the rest into female frogs. This rather nice distinction would be enough to earn the Gay Frogs Claim a “False!” from the plagiarists at Snopes or a “Pants On Fire!” from Politifact. Much of the “fact-checking” you see done in today’s media is reliant on such fine-grained examination; see this note on HR 1 as an example.

I mention all of this because you’re about to see a rather disturbing document that purports to show how the British Government will manipulate public opinion to accept everything from eating bugs to staying in their homes while the elite continue to travel at will. The fact-checkers are already hard at work trying to separate the authors of this document from the Government — but in this case, they are likely to fail.

The Brits took this Net Zero document down off the main government site, but not before it was archived. The Independent states this about the authors of the paper: “The Behavioural Insights Team, also known as the ‘Nudge Unit’, is independent of government but partly owned by the Cabinet Office. A government spokesperson said: ‘This was an academic research paper, not government policy. We have no plans whatsoever to dictate consumer behaviour in this way. For that reason, our Net Zero Strategy published yesterday contained no such plans.'” The paper itself is less willing to distance itself from government, stating:

The Behavioural Insights Team, also known as the Nudge Unit, is a social-purpose company. Originally set up at the heart of the UK government, we are now a global company with offices around the world.

There are plenty of websites, including ZeroHedge, taking selective quotes from the Net Zero document. I’d suggest instead that you simply read it in its not overly sizable entirety, or at least skim it. In its broadest sense, the document argues that policymakers should set “ambitious” goals related to climate change. Those goals should then be manipulated into reality through a concerted, coordinated effort to change the choices available to British subjects. Eventually, all aspects of life in the United Kingdom will have been completely revamped in a manner that produces “net zero” CO2 emissions.

It’s worth noting that even as the British Government prepares to ban combustion-engine cars in 2030, China is openly stating that their CO2 emissions will continue to increase every year from now until 2030 before slowly tapering off to Net Zero in 2060, which is a nice way of saying “never”, since very few of the people involved in these decisions will be alive to see the effect of their policies at that point. It’s also not easy to see how all of the behaviors discussed in the document will lead to Net Zero; there is a strong element of takin’ over all of Stone Mountain to these goals and strategies, because while it is easy to see how the standard of living, and even the standard of human dignity, will be reduced by carrying them out, the actual carbon-emissions reduction seems to be an afterthought.

As an example: It’s obvious how a mandatory EV strategy will cripple travel, reduce personal mobility, and make it even easier to tax and restrict individual citizens, but not so easy to figure out how it will lead to Net Zero in a country that still sources 60% of its energy from burning something. One wonders just how important that latter part is. Perhaps not at all, because it would be intensely pleasurable just to impose one’s will on the general public, regardless of the merits attached to said imposition.

In any event, it seems obvious what will happen in the future regarding the strategies laid out in this Net Zero document. At first, ridicule will be used against people who take those strategies at face value — they’re nutjobs! Then we will move to denial — these things couldn’t happen! Then a little equivocation — just they’re happening, but not exactly like the nutjobs predicted! Finally, an accountability-free accounting — yes, we’re doing it that way, it’s been done that way, but so what?

(For those of you keeping score at home, we’re in the the second-to-last stage of the above cycle with regards to the “conspiracy theory” that Fauci’s NIH funded coronavirus research in Wuhan. A year or from now, CNN will take a moment to mention that yes, COVID-19 was deliberately developed in a lab under American funding and direction, then inadvertently released into the wild, but so what?)

Over the next eight years, British subjects will no doubt see every single recommendation and tactic from the Net Zero document put into practice. Some of them will complain: hey, isn’t this just like that document from 2021, the one that the conspiracy theorists said would be put into effect? By then, it will be a yeah, and so what? situation. Imagine being a Brit in 2030. You can’t buy a real car, can’t fly without demonstrating a “good reason” to do so. Can’t eat meat, can’t buy or own anything that hasn’t been exhaustively evaluated for “carbon virtue”. Meanwhile, your counterparts in China are riding the wave of an all-time high in carbon consumption.

Here’s a new conspiracy theory I just made up: the whole Net Zero thing is actually a devious 4-D chess strategy from the horrible evil racists who don’t want to see the UK become a majority-immigrant society. Their plan is to make living in Brtain so miserable that people no longer want to claim asylum in the sceptered isle. The people who have already arrived will throw up their hands and head back home to Syria or whatever. This is basically the same strategy used to halt Caesar’s second invasion. It could work again! Let’s not underestimate the impact of not having enough “dirty energy” to keep British homes warm in the winter. “Cool Britannia” could have a whole new meaning! Don’t forget, you read this conspiracy theory here first. Now go out and spread it before it turns out to be true!

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For Hagerty, I reviewed a BMW, raced a Radical, and imagined a very different kind of 1970 Chevrolet.

71 Replies to “(Last) Weekly Roundup: The Naked Hellscape Of Net Zero Edition”

  1. dejal

    Look up Saule Omarova, potential future head of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC).

    Look up the October 2021 issue of the Vanderbilt Law Review. In “The People’s Ledger: How to Democratize Money and Finance the Economy,” Omaraova argues that all bank deposits should be transferred into what she calls FedAccounts at the Federal Reserve.

    Small banks would be forced to fold and to transfer their deposits to the Fed. The Fed would then have access to all your transactions and control on giving you the money. Why fold? Smaller banks rely on deposits to dole out loans. No deposits, can’t make any loans and can’t make any money.

    Toss in a Social Credit Score and it’s game over. The game is almost over now.

    Let’s Go Brandon!!!

    I work in this industry and our clients are small financial institutions. 700 people would be out of a job. I could retire next month, but plan on working until I don’t. So, I can walk away anytime. If the company folded I would feel sorry for everyone at the company. Except for HR. HR is the wokiest woke that ever woke. For them, I would laugh.

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    • hank chinaski

      The idea Yellen floated to tax unrealized capital gains of (cough) billionaires is another gem. The concept of Blackrock snapping up homes at auction after their middle class owners are taxed out could never, ever be realized, right? See also, the initial 2% income tax rate.

      A bigger question is why it’s always impossible for government to curb the worst abuses of the robber barons or that their solutions are always Marxist wet dreams. That said, when Omara stated: “The financial services industry, in my view, and I don’t think I’m alone here, is the quintessential asshole industry,” she was not entirely wrong.

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      • Fat Baby Driver

        It’s fun to hate on the billionaires, but in the grand scheme of things, billionares don’t have that much money. You could take a billion dollars from every billionaire alive right now and it wouldn’t pay for the “infrastructure” proposal that, despite costing no money, still requires raising the debt ceiling.

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        • stingray65

          It is also important to remember that the implementation of every federal and state income tax was always promised to only impact the filthy rich, and yet here we are all having to fill out income taxes every year and approximately 50% of the population paying them federally. When the wealth tax fails to bring in enough money, you can bet the Democrats will determine that millionaires and thousandaires are also not paying their “fair share”.

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  2. CJinSD

    If you don’t think there will be a hallal exception to efforts to make British subjects stupider and weaker through denial of animal protein, then you have not been paying attention. I used to hope that the fall of the UK would wake up the imbeciles who support globalists in the USA. Considering that there are still Americans bad-mouthing Trump in their efforts to deny reality, I’m not sure anything can restore their ability to live in a free country.

    Terry McAuliffe, or a PAC supporting Terry McAuliffe, is putting up yard signs that say, “Keep Parents Out of Schools!” “Terry McAuliffe.” “Keep Virginia Blue.” Qanon may have been a false-flag psy-op to create the illusion that the difference between Democrats and establishment Republicans isn’t that the Democrats want to have sex with children. On the other hand, Netflix employees took to the street to protest Dave Chappelle, but they had no problem whatsoever with “Cuties,” which was basically soft core porn for the Joe Bidens of the world.

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    • stingray65

      Well it turned out that only about 12 Netflix employees took to the streets to protest Chappelle, so apparently the outrage was limited to only a very few squeaky wheels.

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        • Ronnie Schreiber

          Meanwhile, hundreds of Loudoun County, VA students walk out of classes to protest the coverup of sexual assaults by a genderfluid student and the media is silent about it.

          I have a utility email account at Netzero so I have to access my mail account there via their homepage, which carries news headlines from Newser, which was founded by leftist journalist Michael Wolff, who looks like Brian Stelter’s uglier older brother.

          A search of Newser.com for the word Loudoun yields no recent results but one of today’s headlines is “Report: Rape Ignored Under Liberty U’s “Purity Culture”.”

          Ignore the genderfluid serial rapist because we all know the real threat to women is at Christian colleges.

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          • stingray65

            If your Newser source goes silent on the rape epidemic at Christian colleges, you can be very sure that the reason will be that the rapist turns out to be a student of color brought on campus to improve the diversity statistics and signal the woke virtue of college administrators.

          • dejal

            May I suggest Indian (zoho.com) or Russian (yandex.com) free e-mail addressees?
            “But, they’ll spy on you!!!!”
            I figure I have better odds of them not carrying than a domestic e-mail address provider.

            Go by what company Netzero keeps which would be Newsr. It’s a conscious pick on their part to have a news provider and that’s who they picked.

          • -Nate

            So then, try it some time .

            Your fear of non whites is palpable and you lie endlessly about it .

            Americans are not supposed to live in fear yet you choose to do so and t liek the boots of those who keep you mired in fear .

            Those are the facts, not you endless repetition of misogyny, fear, hate and obfuscation .

            You come across as a 12 year old emotionally, I didn’t realize you’re a fully grown (if not grown up) adult for some time .

            Just because _you_ want a thing to be so doesn’t make it a fact .

            -Nate

          • CJinSD

            Nate,
            I’m not afraid of the climate warming a few degrees. I’m not afraid of being exposed to the WuFlu. I’m not afraid of the NRA. I’m not afraid of upholding the first amendment and the claimed dangers of free speech and free association. I’m not afraid of the equal protection of the law being applied to every citizen. I’m not afraid of some celebrity attempting to mock me for my choices and values. I’m dubious that anyone who shares my values is going to be dinged by your derision.

            The race card just means you’ve lost the argument. You support people who want to tell kids who haven’t been born yet that they’re personally responsible for slavery. What do you think prejudice means? There is slavery in many parts of the brown and asian world today, and you want whites to feel bad about things done hundreds of years ago by people who may have looked like them. You’re flotsam.

          • -Nate

            Of course cj ;

            You have to lie to make your invalid point .

            I didn’t _ever_ say anything like that and you well know it .

            Try the truth instead of parroting memes from dennis prager et. al .

            Slavery was a bad thing but NO ONE DESERVES A DIME OF REPARATIONS .

            Period, no trying to wiggle out later when you throw this back in my face, I unlike you, don’t leed to lie / obfuscate .

            If it doesn’t bother you and your fascist boot licking friends, why respond ? .

            There, GOTCHA .

            -Nate
            -Nate

          • Ronnie Schreiber

            racist much sr65 ? .

            Nate, would you have preferred if StingRay had chosen another one of your exotic pets (POCs, Alphabet folks, etc.) to highlight the hypocrisy of the mainstream media in promoting some narratives over others?

            It’s interesting that you jumped all over StingRay for his supposed racism but you have nothing to say about the media castigating a college for traditional Christians while covering up school rapes by one of their own exotic pets, the point of my original comment.

            dennis prager et. al .

            Attacking Jews now?

            Dennis Prager is not only one of the most publicly prominent Jews in America, he’s also one of the few that speaks in favor of traditional Judaism and is public about his practice of his faith (though he is not orthodox). Why did you choose to single him out? That “et. al.” sounds a lot like “those people”.

            How does it feel now that you’re the one being accused of bigotry? There’s about as much evidence that you are a Jew hater as there is that StingRay is a racist.

          • -Nate

            No ronnie ;

            dennis prager is a racist asshole, you give him a pass because he’s Jewish, that’s a new low even for you .

            I don’t give _anyone_ a pass, you and the rest of the scared cowards simply ignore that part .

            We’re supposed to be talking about automobiles but you and your racist friends always _HAVE_ to try and be slick and sneak in totally unrelated B.S. and lies .

            I’m an adult and I’ll always speak up against dishonesty .

            FWIW, remember the slap shot comment about george floyd ? , it completely ignored that fact that he WAS MURDERED ON CAMERA by a grinning police officer, sworn to up hold the law .

            Yes, GEORGE FLOYD WAS A WORTHLESS PIECE OF CRAP .

            He was non violent unlike your KKKKlan buddies who actually kill non whites just for the crime of being non white, where’s you (fake) outrage there ? .

            george floys deserved to be arrested and tossed into jail, not KILLED LIKE A DOG .

            But, somehow, _I’m_ the racist nazi, right ? .

            You’re all be well pleased to learn that yesterday at the Mar Vista School on Motor Av. in West Los Angeles, a young wite boy was allowed to come dressed up a _hitler_ .

            Be pround, be very proud ronnie and the rest of you freedom fearing, American hating cowards .

            A _TRUE_ “Patriot” would never be afraid of / fear / hate 60 plus percent of his fellow citizens .

            -Nate

          • CJinSD

            Calling someone a racist isn’t an argument. The pedocrats have made it completely meaningless by throwing it around when they have no real argument while actually pushing for racist policies. Why do you think Dennis Prager is a racist? Because he offers his platform to so many voices of color? Because he doesn’t think people should be judged by the color of their skin? Martin Luther King is a racist by your standards.

          • Ronnie Schreiber

            No ronnie ;

            dennis prager is a racist asshole, you give him a pass because he’s Jewish, that’s a new low even for you .

            Nate,

            So you find getting hoisted on your own petard a little uncomfortable. Good. I get the impression that you would put Jews into cattle cars if Nancy Pelosi demanded it. You’ve certainly not condemned any of the Jew haters in positions of power in the Democratic party.

            Your comment is defamatory to both Dennis Prager and myself. Retract your statement and apologize publicly to me here, or deal with the consquences of your own tortious behavior.

            Just so you know, there’s a legal difference between an opinion (“I get the impression”) and a false statement of fact (“you give”).

            If you think you can defame people and hide behind internet anonymity, you have even less intelligence than you demonstrate here.

          • Trollson

            I’m really not digging this thread. It’s like a cheesy internet rendition of that Spike Lee movie where nobody does the right thing.

            Letting petty differences of opinion falsely eclipse our common ground is a trap and you all damn well know it.

  3. Power6

    Always a good read to make me think. Personally how could the Epstein stuff and the gain of function research stuff not be true! So I’m not a good liberal there ha. I don’t buy the stolen election and I am not there on the Wuhan lab leak yet, but I go by what I think I know, and that ain’t much! Anyways as usual I think a little more nuance would do from ya 😉

    But that’s not why I’m here commenting…so if I buy that “electric vehicles” mandates is not the way, and I do, or I want to and I got trust issues with the powers too. You got 2 truths I see that have merit: EVs are more efficient than gas cars, because they kinda have to be for range. And you got the decoupling from the power source, so whatever makes sense you use that for your grid, not tied to a specific energy source. Seems reasonable to start something before you quite know how it works out. But if I am all wrong, then what IS the alternative?? Just laissez-faire and let the “free” market work it out?

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    • CJinSD

      Yes. The alternative is to let free people making decisions in their own interest to ‘work it out.’ How did you get so completely unhinged that you think there is any other way that won’t involve mass murder?

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      • Power6

        Eh I guess I got unhinged at thinking the free market isn’t “free” so I am not sure if it works out that way. Subsidies, tax breaks, political influence etc

        I got the idea that maybe at some level we should do some things together for good. Like just figuring out how to do more with less energy input. Maybe that’s expecting too much.

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        • stingray65

          I agree that free markets aren’t free, but perhaps rather than making the market even less free with more mandates, taxes, and subsidies why don’t we move in the “free” direction and take them away and see how that works out?

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    • Will

      EV’s are not more efficient than gas cars as a fully charged Tesla P100D has the same energy efficiency as 3 gallons of gas. Plus refueling will always suck on EV’s. They’re appliances at best and the energy it takes to mine and build one is offset by the “savings.” We’re going backwards; there isn’t one green form of energy that is efficient and we’re all screwed because of it.

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      • Power6

        What did I miss, you just said the same thing and inserted “not”? 300 miles on 3gal of gas, that’s not more efficient? I hear you on the downsides, it’s the same old stuff you can slice it and dice the numbers to match your pre-existing belief. I try to be objective about it, I drive my gas car, I like my gas car, I don’t want an EV. I want to keep my mind open about it though. It’s like a religion, not too much objective thought out there! I’m gonna miss rationality.

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        • Will

          A Tesla P100D is 100kwh, 1 gallon of gas is equal to 33.7kwh, so the energy efficiency to drive an almost equal distance takes less weight to achieve the same result. Additionally, the electricity powering the Tesla is from oil and the electric car never achieves the suggested range (gas cars can exceed their projected range). Additionally, the batteries degrade quickly, thus reducing their own efficiency faster than a gas-powered car. Yes, EV’s are not efficient vehicles because batteries are an inefficient power delivery system that drains fast in not so extreme weather. Plus the weight of a Tesla is 4500-4900lbs whereas 3 gallons of gas is only 24lbs so a Tesla achieving that 300 miles requires an incredibly heavy way (sans Gov’t safety rules), whereas 300 miles on for a gas car (roughly 7.5 gallons) is only 180lbs. Gas Cars are inefficient for a variety of reasons, but not because of the fuel that’s used.

          It’s not a religion if you know that making a Tesla is far more inefficient and expensive vs gas and a step backwards in both technology and efficiency. Fuel cells on the other hand……

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          • stingray65

            The good news is that EV batteries seem to be holding up better than many predicted, the bad news is that when they eventually do go bad we will have millions of huge battery packs going to scrap yards with no economic and environmentally friendly way to recycle the dangerous materials inside. I wonder what Tesla fan boys will do when pictures hit the media of poor kids in India or Africa breaking apart battery packs with hammers and chisels to recover the rare and toxic minerals inside?

          • Ronnie Schreiber

            stingray65,

            The battery recycling problem isn’t quite as serious as you think. When the battery pack for a modern EV needs replacement, that doesn’t mean all the cells are bad, just enough to affect performance. There are already battery recyclers who are “remanufacturing” battery packs by replacing the out-of-spec cells with serviceable ones.

            As for the lithium and cobalt used, I guess it depends on whether recovering those materials from out-of-spec cells is financially viable.

          • stingray65

            I have to disagree Ronnie. I know that you can just replace the few bad cells instead of the entire pack, but eventually all (or most) of the cells will go bad and have to be replaced and disposed of. Furthermore, I expect many will be battery packs scrapped when the value of the car becomes less than the cost to replace the few dead cells, which is a very expensive proposition in most cases and risky because the non-dead cells will also be 8,10,15 years old and likely to go dead before very long and also need to be expensively replaced. So when we get to the point when we have millions of EVs on the road that are over 8 years old when cells tend to start going bad, we will be having loads of dead cells and dead packs to dispose of and no process in place or even on the horizon to do it.

  4. Matthew Horgan

    If the current rate of change leftward remains stable I anticipate being too old to be useful as labor in the Communities Paths to Reorientation (aka reeducation camp)so I’ll likely just be shot.

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    • drsmith

      Jack is correct – it was made in China, by US funding and a head start by a US company ( EcoHealth). You think all that China made stuff ends up at Walmart and Target by random? Hint – it is order by US companies and then shipped here for sale. See the similarities now?

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        • Will

          It was certainly avoidable since they skirted around the gain-of-function research rule and the asshole that’s in charge of the response funded it. Plus, the prick lied in congress but nothing will happen of course. He also has patents related to the Pfizer vaccine. The fact that the media has been in cahoots, makes it worse. Plus it isn’t that bad, there are many diseases far worse than COVID statistically (99.98% CFR under 50 with those above 50 having co-morbidities or pre-existing conditions). Yellow fever is far more dangerous and just because you know people, doesn’t mean it’s dangerous to a population.

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          • John C.

            Careful to not use the funding, surely a tiny percentage of the Wuhan budget, to absolve China and play stupid gotcha with Dems. Sending a little money to keep track and influence what goes on in Wuhan no doubt makes sense to Dem and Republican neocons. What should make sense to regular Americans is to understand the Chinese including Taiwan and Uyghurs are not are friends and so it makes no sense to trade or otherwise involve ourselves. A lesson worth learning also with the Middle East. Lessons neither political side ever learns to their shame.

          • stingray65

            John – I’m perfectly willing to believe that the Democrats are in bed with the Chinese Communist party in funding gain of function research in Wuhan, and in building our renewable future with slave labor.

          • John C.

            Great Stingray, but understand the next step is not to just vote republican but make sure that they are willing to disentangle even if it means building things here and not pretending to take up the cause of the next losers like Antifa in Hong Kong or trans people rights in Taipei.

          • stingray65

            I almost never vote Republican because I believe they are free market, Constitution loving, border protecting conservatives, but because they are slightly more to the Right and slightly less corrupt than the Democrats.

          • John C.

            That is not good enough for me to get my vote any more. It earns my perverse respect watching Dems going after Manchin or Sinema when they try to gum up their works, wish we had people who really fight.

            So much is already lost, I think Charlie Daniels Band had it right, 40 years ago, ” we are going to put her feet back on the path of righteousness and then, God will bless America again.”

        • drsmith

          No, Nate, you really don’t see anything the MSM does not want you to see. However, if it makes you feel better, keep believing all the fairy tales they tell you. Guess you also approve of inhuman treatment of animals and AIDS orphans being used as guinea pigs for medical experiments that mankind has not seen since the Nazi and their concentrations camps – congrats, Nate, you’re a Nazi, too!

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          • -Nate

            @drsmith ;

            You’re the only nazi here, I don’t use msm for news
            Now, go back to your laze, guardian and sentinel for more kool aid .

            -Nate

  5. -Nate

    Well ;

    covid-19 killed more Americans in two years than the four years of WWII, plus Korea and Vietnam combined, the yellow fever has nothing on those numbers, the truth is what it is .

    -Nate

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    • stingray65

      I not sure it is fair to equate the average 82 year old Covid victim dying with 2+ other serious co-morbidities with a bunch of 18 to 36 year old soldiers dying from lead poisoning fighting Nazis and Commies.

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    • Will

      Of course, that is meaningless retort since if you add up the stats for the Flu, it’s exponential on how many have died from that disease and than all US wars combined. Yellow Fever has a case fatality rate between 20-60% and has decimated foreign armies who usually succumb to that disease over actual warfare. COVID is no such threat since COVID barely killed war age males. Keep trying, but the stats don’t lie and are consistent across multiple countries.

      What’s fun is looking at highly vaxxed countries and their COVID cases.

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      • JMcG

        Ireland is at 90% vaccination for everyone over 12 years of age. Their numbers testing positive, hospitalized, and in ICU are once again climbing fast.

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  6. NoID

    The electric machines which power EVs are vastly more efficient than internal combustion engines. The question is: What is more efficient as a transportation system? For EVs I’m generating electricity *somewhere* and transporting it to the point of charge, then transferring it into a battery before using it to power my car. For ICE-powered vehicles I’m extracting raw materials from the earth, converting them into fuel, transporting that fuel to a fueling station, then filling my tank with it and burning it to power my car.

    The answer to that question is directly related to how the electricity is generated in the first place. I can absolutely see scenarios where it is a net INCREASE in carbon emissions to drive an EV (burning fuels to generate electricity hundreds of miles from the point of charge instead of burning them in the engine while I’m driving comes to mind). It’s a multi-variable problem, and depending on the variables the results can vary tremendously.

    I see a huge benefit for having EVs in urban centers where driving mileage is low, charging infrastructure could be made available easily, and the distance to the power generating facilities isn’t very far. At the very least, even if it isn’t even close to “Net Zero”, the air quality in densely populated areas would improve dramatically. That’s a win in my book. But to mandate the entire automobile sector move to EVs as early as 2030 (if ever at all) just seems like people trying to “change the world”, not objectively make it better for the people who actually live in it.

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    • stingray65

      Given that the majority of new electricity generation capacity globally will be coal or natural gas powered for the next 20+ years, I think it is safe to say that most EVs will be coal powered.

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    • Ronnie Schreiber

      If I can play devil’s advocate a bit…

      Electricity transmission lines carrying high voltage AC are pretty efficient, that’s why we use AC, so it doesn’t really matter, at least in terms of energy loss, how far your EV charging station is from the generating plant. There may be some energy loss but then some gasoline surely evaporates and leaks between the petrochemical plant and your gas tank. If I’m not mistaken, my home in the northern Detroit suburbs is powered by a DTE generating plant near Monroe, about 50 miles away. The Marathon station on a nearby corner is serviced by a refinery about 20 miles away.

      As for EVs ultimately being powered by fossil fuels burned at the generating station, in pollution control, that generating station is known as a “point source”. It’s a lot easier implementing and maintaining pollution controls at a single power plant than it is making sure that millions of ICE powered vehicles are meeting emissions standards.

      That being said, in lieu of government mandates, it’s foolish to think that we won’t still be using gasoline and kerosene to power transportation 50 years from now. Jack has mentioned how much more energy there is in a typical tank of gasoline than there is in an EV battery pack. Gasoline is such a good liquid fuel that we literally can afford to throw away 2/3rds of its energy as waste heat and it’s still an economically viable fuel.

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      • stingray65

        If I may be the devil to your devil Ronnie, power losses are pretty substantial when the current is sent hundreds of miles as it often is because solar and wind farms (and hydro dams) are usually far away from major population centers. The greenies want to get rid of all those coal/gas/nuclear plants that can be placed relatively close to population centers, so transmission losses will only get worse as we move towards a “renewable” future.

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      • JMcG

        Carbon Dioxide is now the pollutant they are screaming about. They aren’t interested in lowering CO2, they are interested in controlling our behavior. A quick search will reveal that water vapor is responsible for about 60% of the greenhouse effect. I can’t wait to see how they plan on addressing that one.

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  7. JMcG

    I’ve just spent a few days in Ireland, where the new Climate Budget has just been released. New houses aren’t allowed to have a chimney. No more cozy nights by the fire, you’ll take your heat pump and you’ll like it. If you’ve been wondering how smart meters for your electric service were going to improve your life, now you know. Your power can be disconnected at will, once you’ve used your share.
    They’ve also announced that there will be a significant reduction in what they call “the National herd.” Now, one of Ireland’s main industries is agriculture, so you can see where this is going. Get used to much more expensive beef and butter, when you’re allowed to have it at all. Not a word one about the server farms that are being built to please their corporate masters at google and microsoft though.
    I’d like to think these people are lunatics, but I’m beginning to realize that I’ve been the lunatic for not taking them seriously.

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    • stingray65

      This Left’s infatuation with having us all go vegan to save the planet shows their usual lack of knowledge or common sense, which also as usual is hilarious as they continue to claim to be followers of science. As is the case for most beef and lamb production globally, Ireland’s meat production utilizes land capable of growing nothing but inedible (to human) grass and not be suitable for crops and allows animal grazing to transform useless into a nutritious and delicious human food source as the video below demonstrates with real facts and science demonstrates.

      And of course the vegan Left also wants to do away with fossil fuels that are the only major source of crop fertilizer besides animal dung that also won’t be available when we do away with animals. Leftists are too stupid to live, and too wimpy to off themselves to save the planet from all their farts and hot air.

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    • Eric L.

      Wait, chimneys are illegal? Because one could, gasp, burn wood? Or because something something “loses too much heat to a hole in the structure”?

      I noticed many of the houses in Boise, including mine, have decorative chimneys on the top of the house, but the gas fireplaces exhaust is actually routed out this stupid vent on the back of the fake chimney, just low enough that kids can touch it. It’s super confusing, but maybe Idaho homebuilders in the late 90s were ahead of the curve on whatever a Climate Budget is.

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      • JMcG

        Yes, that’s correct. New homes won’t get planning permission if they have a chimney. No fireplaces or solid fuel burning stoves allowed in new construction. They use geothermal heat pumps that circulate water through pipes embedded in the floor for heat.
        So, chimneys in new construction are illegal.

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        • Idaneck

          *anyone

          My old house had a wood burning fireplace, loved it. Barely used the furnace. Our newer house has the same setup as yours, I just flip the switch. Handy.

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        • Eric L.

          Hello! Be warned, I’m a Californian political refugee, so that might change your excitement at finding another Boisian around here. We moved up this July after 7 years in San Diego. 😀

          If you see a blue G35 sedan with Skyline badging and the California beach sunset plate near Eagle and Chinden, give the secret honk.

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  8. Bill

    Some actions from the Minders of Britain:
    https://news.sky.com/video/cop26-police-scotland-braced-for-showdown-in-glasgow-with-climate-groups-like-extinction-rebellion-video-12445898
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/27/insulate-britain-protests-arrests-group-defies-injunctions

    My house in South Carolina is heated and cooled by a heat pump. At best it is “ok”, we still have a plug in heater to warm local areas where we sit. It runs all the time and is noisy. I don’t understand this mass Government movement to electrify all aspect of our lives without commensurate creation of generating capacity. Unless the real reason is to control movement, comfort, and productivity of citizens. Unless of course you belong with the Government or an approved adjunct organization.

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    • Paulson

      The police only serve to protect the climate ‘protesters.’ The police stand around bringing them drinks and snacks while waiting to assault and arrest anyone who confronts them for blocking ambulances.

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