The Camel’s Nose In The Kid’s Cage, Plus DadLogic

It was all fake. Every bit of it. The kid in the cage, staring forlornly out from his literally padded cell in the company of children wearing $69.95 Vans Sk8-Hi shoes? Fake. The picture of TRUMP CHILD CONCENTRATION CAMPS? It was from President Obama’s administration. The refugee child crying on the cover of TIME while Trump looks on with disdain? Not a refugee, and never separated from her family.

But if the coverage was entirely fake, the motive behind it was tiresomely real. After two years of trying every avenue of attack possible, the media has learned NAZI FUHRER DRUMPPPPPPFFFF’s weak spot: he is sentimental and doesn’t like to make people unhappy. The whole point of the fake-cage tempest-in-a-teapot was to get Trump to move the line on immigration a bit. Which he did, promptly stating that he would work to overturn the 1997-era legislation that governs the separate detention of children. Approximately an hour after he agreed to that, the media line changed.


Now it’s unethical to detain anybody at all, with or without their children. So the problem wasn’t separating children from their families at all; it was the detention of asylum seekers. The goal here is to return to the “catch and release” policy, which worked like so. You get caught crossing the border. You make an asylum claim. 95% of these claims are plainly false, and most of the remaining claims should have been handled in the first country the refugees entered, which is usually Mexico. That’s the UN Human Rights agreement.

Since ICE agents at the border are not judges, however, these 99% fake asylum seekers are given a date for an asylum hearing and then they are released into the general population of the United States, which is what they wanted in the first place. That is, in a nutshell, the policy that has allowed the United States to contain more than eleven million illegal, excuse me, “undocumented” immigrants. And it’s what everybody wants. When I say “everybody”, of course, I mean: the Democrats who expect grateful brown votes, Republicans who want grateful brown labor, rich people who want gardeners, limousine liberals who want to turn every bit of America brown with the obvious exception of their own gated community, which will remain lily-white.

The only people who aren’t on board are, oh, I don’t know, howsabout the entire working lower class of this country. They’ve been ignored since around the time George S. Patton charged through the Bonus Army with his saber raised and reaffirmed the right of the USG to murder its own people, a right which has been reaffirmed with monotonous regularity from Kent State to Ruby Ridge. The only person who has taken the dispossessed, disenfranchised Americans seriously in the past century is Donald J. Trump.

I have a lot of friends who reacted to FAKE CAGED KIDS with fury and misery. Some of them were even parents. “I wouldn’t want anybody to do this to my child!” Well, duh. As I read their emotion-laden rants, I realized that this country needs a solid dose of DadLogic.

Now, you probably think DadLogic would be something lame, because we now use “dad” as an adjective meaning “feckless, stupid, weak.” Dad jokes. Dad bod. Peter Griffin, Homer Simpson. To be a father in this country is to feel the full weight of pop culture’s active countermeasures. Commercials, songs, and movies portray you as the weakest, stupidest, most bigoted, and least capable member of the family.

Fuck all of that, if only for a moment. I’m talking DadLogic like your father applied when you were a child. Or at least like my father applied as a child.

“Dad, I want a puppy.”

“Who’s going to feed the puppy? Who’s going to pay the puppy’s medical bills? When the puppy reaches 100 pounds and drops turds the size of footballs, who’s going to clean it up? What happens when we go on vacation?” DadLogic sucked, because it immediately poked a hundred holes in your best ideas. But we were all lucky to have it, because DadLogic is the necessary counterpart to feminine/childish/impulsive emotion. Without DadLogic, your family goes bankrupt, kids get hurt, mistakes are made that are permanent and unfixable. With perhaps two exceptions, every school shooter in the past fifty years has been raised in a family with no DadLogic. Children who don’t get a dose of that unpleasant DadLogic are statistically far more likely to spend their lives in prison or end their lives early via violence or stupidity. As fathers, we want to think that our children need our love. They do, but more than that they need our logic.

So let me apply some DadLogic, since I’m a dad, to this immigration situation. Right now, we have the worst of all possible situations. We have an open border to the south which can only be reached by the people who are willing to suffer unimaginable misery and privation. We talk about how the United States should honor Emma Lazarus and take everybody — but it turns out that “everybody” means cheap labor. If you’re a Swiss engineer who wants to come to America, you’re fucked. If you’re an Israeli microchip designer, you can wait in line behind Wipro and Tata for an H1-B. But if you’re willing to cut my grass for ten bucks… well, my friend, all you have to do is march across the desert and risk the lives of your children. We want to make sure you’re extra-grateful for that off-the-books job, you see.

If we really care about the children in El Salvador and elsewhere, we should send a Gulfstream 650 to pick them up. If we are so God-dammed worried about the refugees of various wars, we should figure out a way to help them that doesn’t require them to cross the globe to a place where they don’t speak the language and where their religion is in many ways incompatible with the small towns chosen for their forcible resettlement. If we are determined to make life better for the 3 billion people out there who are living on a dollar a day or whatever, we should come up with a plan to do it without forcing people to walk 1500 miles across a narcostate or drink salt water on a raft.

The people who are so upset about 2,000 kids in cages, if they are even in cages, are loudly broadcasting to the world that they haven’t the slightest nodding acquaintance with logic or reason. They want those 2,000 kids to be immediately released. Along with their families, of course. And they want those families to bring their families in. Because #FamiliesBelongTogether.

Great. The minute you let those people in without consequence, they will be followed by 20,000. Then 200,000. Then 2,000,000. Because — and I’m going to put this in boldface, so you understand it — there is an effectively unlimited supply of people who want to live in the United States. A billion Indians. A half-billion Chinese, maybe. All of Africa. Most of the Middle East. All of Central America. Most of South America. Most of Mexico. All of those people would see a substantial improvement in their lives if they came to work in an American McDonald’s. So if they could come here, they would. Period. Point blank.

Just because you think Drumpf’s America is a Nazi wasteland of Confederate flags and gun nuts and bro-dozers, don’t make the mistake of thinking that actual poor people from other countries feel that way. They see America as a place with clean hospitals and clean streets and law enforcement that doesn’t answer to the highest bidder. Listen. I had four Bolivian cyclists living with me for about half a decade, off and on. Their parents were all Somebody back in South America, rich enough to pay for flights and bikes and uniforms and training and cars and homes with broken glass embedded into their concrete walls. They were the One Percent of Bolivia. And every one of them wanted to live in America. Working in a McDonald’s, if necessary.

I work with any number of high-caste Indians who can do anything they want in their home countries. What they want is to never go back. In fact, the only people I’ve ever met who didn’t want to move to America were exceptionally wealthy Europeans from places that haven’t yet been forcibly exposed to vibrant Islam. Every one of my Malaysian and Chinese friends would love to come here. Like I said. The supply is unlimited.

Right now, the sanctimonious Left and the corporate Right are basically children who want to adopt a litter of puppies. They haven’t thought about the consequences or the problems. They only want to feel good and/or make money. Until last year, there was no Dad to tell them no. You had creepy Uncle Bill Clinton, who never said no to an emotional issue. Then you had Pastor Bush, who quoted the Bible then opened the borders even as he sent young American to lose their limbs for Texaco. Finally, there was Barry, your mom’s chain-smoking boyfriend, who didn’t have the strength of character to ever make a tough choice.

Like it or not, Donald Trump is essentially the American Dad right now. He’s not the best Dad out there. We all know he likes women and Lamborghini Diablos and gold-plated faucets. We’d rather have a traditional American President in a powdered wig who speaks in measured cadences and quotes liberally from Cicero. Unfortunately, there wasn’t one available. This is the only Dad we are going to get. And Dad has enough DadLogic to know that the United States cannot let 3 billion people in and it shouln’t offer an unequal immigration opportunity to people who are willing to make their children ride on the top of a train to Juarez. Dad knows that this country has millions of native-born Americans who need a job. Dad knows that the social services are overstretched as they are.

Dad even knows that we are maybe 25 years away from universal automation and that to import 50 million low-cost workers now amounts to nothing but adding 100 million mouths to the Basic Income and Universal Welfare programs that will have to exist once the vast majority of the work in this country is done by capital and not labor.

Well, Dad may not know that. Dad might not be thinking that far ahead. But this dad is thinking that far ahead. So here’s my solution to FAKE CAGED KIDS and every other manufactured immigration crisis between now and the next Presidential election:

Close the border.
Increase foreign aid.
Help refugees in their own land.
Help Americans who need it. They are just as deserving as refugees.
Fix our own wagon first.
Then save the world.
If we can.
The end.

126 Replies to “The Camel’s Nose In The Kid’s Cage, Plus DadLogic”

  1. Scott

    Closed border: needed.
    Symmetric immigration policy: needed.
    Intentionally cruel policy to scare: unneeded, shitty and avoidable.

    That’s really it.

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    • Kevin Jaeger

      You may have a point about some of the statements have been made being unnecessarily cruel, but for many decades now the US has tried and essentially failed to secure the southern border. Did you know that back in the 1990s southern border patrol was apprehending over a million people per year, and generally averaging about half a million people per year every year since?

      Gathering up people on an industrial scale and sending them back just so they can try again is a policy that I think all can agree has proven to be a total failure. Ultimately it doesn’t stop them from trying nor does it keep them out as evidenced by the many millions of illegals.

      So what is ultimately going to deter those millions from crossing illegally if you really aren’t going to pick up a woman from Honduras who has just stepped off a raft into Texas just because she brought a two year old with her? Does anyone really think there’s anything nice about that industrial scale gathering and detention that has been happening on the southern border for decades? Are they really just discovering now that this sometimes makes children cry?

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    • Jeff Zekas

      If too many folks jump into a life raft, the raft sinks, and everyone dies. the U.S. is a life boat, and it is sinking…

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  2. Orenwolf

    First, your AMP theme doesn’t support comments.

    Second, you’re describing the ”poster-child problem,” in that people care more about shared pictures on the interwebs (and their authenticity) than the underlying issues. Jason Kottke covered that a but here:

    https://kottke.org/18/06/the-poster-child-problem

    I don’t get why the worlds last great superpower can’t implement a merit-based immigration system and humane methods for dealing with illegal immigrants. I suppose that’s just my ignorance talking, but all I took from this most recent spectacle was ”holy fuck USA, get your shit together and make a fucking decision and go with it.”

    I wonder if we’ve ever seen a country in history more paralyzed by infighting and utterly impotent to enable actual change. The amount of money literally being wasted with all this crap must be mind-boggling.

    I’m moving to Austin later this year for work and my family is literally afraid for me – fearing that shits going to go off the rails in a rather permanent way in some sort of revolutionary catastrophe.

    Seriously. Just make some decisions and stand by them. Christ.

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    • Jack BaruthJack Baruth Post author

      There’s no revolution coming. Not immediately, anyway. We need five years of sustained economic collapse to prime the pump.

      And when it does, it’s not going to have anything to do with tech workers in Austin.

      If you want a preview of what the American Civil War will look like, get yourself admitted into a country jail and then watch what happens to the population when they sound an alarm. Watch how the groups form. That’s your civil war.

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      • Kevin Jaeger

        It might be interesting if someone ever decides to mount a real response to an anti-Fa mob attack. Who knows what that could escalate to.

        But I don’t see a revolution coming. But it does appear the leftists will become ever more hysterical the longer they are denied power. They really are not dealing with being in opposition well.

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      • -Nate

        Hardly but thanx anyway Jeff .

        These days it’s very hard to actually be a Conservative .

        Worse yet because I have a seriously warped sense of humor .

        Old and cranky too ! .

        I hope I get less cranky when I buy another Motocycle, I have two good leads lined up, we’ll see .

        Remember : someone _else_ said : ‘I’m not poor, I’m broke ~ “poor” is a state of mind I refuse to inhabit’ .

        I’m enjoying and learning from the multitude of replies here .

        -Nate

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  3. 1a

    We did the insurmountable—We elected Trump.

    So, what’s next?

    What are you going to do, Jack? Writing blog posts isn’t enough. All you’re doing is venting anger. The enemy is working; you’re only gonna stroke out.

    How can these attacks (and you only described 10% of them) continue against our country?

    P.S. The average citizen doesn’t have the IQ to understand this. We are likely doomed. I hate being around my peers—dumb as stumps!

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    • Joe

      I agree, people will not educate themselves and will not realize the media is feeding them a line of shit! People don’t even care about these things, they have their head buried in the sand watching dancing with the stars!

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    • elad sputnik

      Scares who? The Globalists? He is one. The Left? He is one of them.
      Peterson gave the Cuckservatives a pat on the head, told the Tumbler crowd to clean their rooms, and now they worship him.
      The fact that he speaks out against the SJW monster that the Left created doesn’t make him something he’s not.

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      • Panzer

        Fuck off.
        Every word out of his mouth is another molotov cocktail direct in the facade of liberal goodthink in our society. “….gives cuckservatives a pat on the head” gimme a fucking break, the wouldn’t touch a tenth of the stuff he’s pointing out.
        So he’a not an AR-15 toting pro lifer in a Dodge Ram? So what? That’s his strength. He’s a reasonable, well spoken uni professor with decades of experience, the left can’t ignore him because he comes from their world. So when he calmly and methodically dismantles their dogmas on live television, they’re doubly discredited and there is no way they can backtrack their way out of it with some selective editing or big lies.

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      • Ronnie Schreiber

        Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. safe as milk has a valid point. The hyperbolic attacks on Peterson from the academic *and* cultural left shows just how much they fear him and his students. They fear him because he can have an impact. Ted Beale may fantasize that the mass of American normals will embrace his own views, but that’s not going to happen (VD likely sees Peterson as a competitor for the same market). What can actually happen is that Peterson and the rest of the so-called Intellectual Dark Web, many of whom tilt left on a variety of issues, can alert normies to the intellectual rot on our campuses and in our institutions, and in doing so effect needed changes. I think that Peterson’s suing Wilfred Laurier University over the way he was defamed in the Lindsay Shepherd case is a very significant event.

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    • CJinSD

      The only thing missing is the why global fascists want unfettered immigration. Depending on the masks they wear, they claim it is for humanitarian reasons(translation – supply of kids for Democrats to rape) or for economic reasons(translation – we’ve made our poor too lazy to work). The reality is that both the Tom Steyer faction and the Koch brothers’ puppets are in it for voters who don’t value the Bill of Rights. Environmentalism is code for eliminating the middle class through eliminating their property rights and economic freedoms so that eventually they can eliminate the surplus population. Universal basic wage is just the last step before fixing the glitch by making people utterly defenseless through ignorance and sloth.

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  4. tyates

    A recurring theme in my B-school was that “incentives matter”, i.e. you get whatever you reward. Unfortunately that leads to some very dismal truths about immigration and social welfare in general, but it does explain why if, for example, you have a hundred homeless people, and you build a shelter with one hundred beds, pretty soon you will have two hundred homeless people. And yes, I know if you take that thinking far enough you’re going to be crucifying 6,000 slaves on the way from Capua to Rome to maintain social order because it’s actually better and – wait for it – more humane than the alternative. But sorry folks, unless you want parks full for free needles we’re all out of easy options.

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  5. Dirty Dingus McGee

    DadLogic indeed. Perhaps even some Grandpappy advice is needed.

    As long as there is continued unchecked immigration, this country is screwed. It makes no matter their country of origin, the invaders (make no mistake, thats what they are) will never assimilate fully. One needs only to look at the ever growing pockets where the invaders congregate to see it. “La Raza” here, sharia law there, Somalian enclaves over yonder. And never mind the growing discontent of the urban black population against the white population everywhere. Its not really anything new, its just more visible with our non stop news and infotainment cycle.

    I suspect that it will come to a head in the near future(5-10 years) and there WILL be some form of civil war. The depth of it will depend on what happens in the next couple of years. If the status quo is maintained, it could get ugly. Just look at whats been happening in some European countries lately for an idea of what’s coming our way.

    Myself, I’m old (61st trip around the sun) and I no longer give a rats ass what folks think of me and my opinions. If someone doesn’t like what I’m saying, your quite welcome to FOAD. Your opinion matters to me, as much as mine does to you.

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  6. ScottS

    We are in the midst of a war for the future of the United States, and few people recognize it. The election of Donald Trump was the first counter punch by the proletariat and we are witnessing the first hysterical reaction by the progressive left to the taste of their own blood. But the proletariat still doesn’t realize that the progressives hold most of the chips and the best cards. The first withering fusillade of counter-attack is only getting started, and you better get used to being called a racist, bigot, homophobe, Nazi, on and on and on.

    The Nazi accusations are particularly illuminating regards the subversive tactics of the left, and I am stunned EVERY DAY that people can watch the major network “news” shows and take any of it seriously. What passes for news in the United States is nothing but manufactured propaganda.

    “Propaganda must always address itself to the broad masses of the people. (…) All propaganda must be presented in a popular form and must fix its intellectual level so as not to be above the heads of the least intellectual of those to whom it is directed. (…) The art of propaganda consists precisely in being able to awaken the imagination of the public through an appeal to their feelings, in finding the appropriate psychological form that will arrest the attention and appeal to the hearts of the national masses. The broad masses of the people are not made up of diplomats or professors of public jurisprudence nor simply of persons who are able to form reasoned judgment in given cases, but a vacillating crowd of human children who are constantly wavering between one idea and another. (…) The great majority of a nation is so feminine in its character and outlook that its thought and conduct are ruled by sentiment rather than by sober reasoning. This sentiment, however, is not complex, but simple and consistent. It is not highly differentiated, but has only the negative and positive notions of love and hatred, right and wrong, truth and falsehood”
    Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

    So I ask you, who is employing Nazi tactics in The War for America’s Future?

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    • DougD

      That’s an interesting parallel between the migrants and American proletariat, if you truly feel that you have nothing to lose you will take increasingly extreme measures, regardless of the odds of success.

      I encourage you to continue be suspicious of all profit driven news sources. Your suspicion should be proportional to the level of profit.

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    • rambo furum

      The standard ploy was that the left would call a cucky conservative racist or whatever, and the accused would apologize, beg for mercy, and promise to be a good goy from now on.
      Trump changed that by demonstrating that labels hurt exactly as much as you let them,
      Also, the left had been boyscrying wolf by calling mild Romney literally Hitler (which to them is a bad thing, because Hollywood commies) and they had nothing fresh to use on Trump. And now the public is catching on. They’d rather be called mean names than have their nations invaded. The great part is that one of the easiest ways to create a racist is to just keep calling someone a racist. Womp womp.

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      • ScottS

        It is going to be epic watching our near-term future unfold, and we will soon see if the electorate has the spine to stand up the attacks. If not, and if the leftist regain political power, they will take the country to the tipping point unless more moderate leadership gains control in the Democratic Party. If not there will be retribution the like of which we have not seen since colonial times. It isn’t hard to know how it will end.

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  7. Sean Goldstein

    Before the conversation devolves completely into a debate over which tactics are most cruel and how quickly they can be implemented, it might be useful to consider: “What exactly is the problem we’re trying to fix here?”

    It certainly is convenient to blame the less fortunate for one’s problems, although not at all original. But since we’re all such big fans of the truth, how about we consider these facts:

    1.There is a negative correlation between violent crime and immigration – legal or not. Repeated analysis of criminal conviction data has shown that immigrants – legal and also undocumented – are less likely to commit crimes.
    2. Immigration expands the workforce. On the whole, immigrants aren’t taking the jobs of native born who would otherwise be employed. They are starting businesses and employing native born Americans.

    So again, I ask: What is the problem you are looking to fix here?

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    • safe as milk

      i have a few issues with your data points:

      why are you lumping legal and undocumented immigrants together? the administration has been clear that it is not against legal immigration. it’s open borders that are the issue.

      i would like to see the data on your point number 2. in my observations, entire job categories are now taken over by undocumented workers. are you counting all the people who are cleaning houses, busing tables and mowing lawns as entrepreneurs?

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      • 1a

        His second point (and probably his first) is purposely deceptive.
        “They are starting businesses and employing native born Americans.”
        Clearly these are the legal immigrants.

        Live in a community that releases the names of criminals and you’ll see that crime isn’t going down when “immigrants” come to town.

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        • Sean Goldstein

          safe as milk,
          The data i’ve seen shows that immigrants regardless of status bring jobs and reduce per captia crime. Meaning that you can look only at undocumented immigrants and see they bring jobs, not crime.

          1a,
          There have been dozens of studies on the topic by well educated and well reputed economists. I’ll take their word over your interpretation of the status of people by their names.

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          • safe as milk

            i’m sure the studies you are writing about are real. the disagreement. is with the authority behind them. i grew up in a world where the ny times was our bible. it still is for many of my friends. what i don’t understand is why people allow their trusted experts to lie to them repeatedly and they still cite the official findings as gospel.

            if i have to choose sides, i will still go left. there is a significant minority on the left who don’t fall for the propaganda or the democratic party bullshit. even noam chomsky has dismissed the russia natrative as a joke. on the immigration issue, i ask you this, did you read about those studies on the same news source that published these falsely attrubuted child photos?

          • Sean Goldstein

            An opinion piece by a Fox News commentator best known for spreading lies about BLM?

            Birds of a feather, I suppose.

          • Jack BaruthJack Baruth Post author

            I guess he made up the statistics too.

            Isn’t ad hominem the weakest of fallacies?

          • Sean Goldstein

            Jack,
            I’ll trust your expertise on the weakest of fallacies.

            I find it interesting that neither you nor all the people who responded chose to answer the question of what exactly is the problem you’re trying to fix here. But not surprising.

          • Disinterested-Observer

            That tired old cliche is preposterously naive. Unless you are so racist that you think Latin Americans, Africans, and Asians are genetically superior to the Irish and Italians that came before them, you would know that immigrant criminals victimize their own communities, and those communities don’t report those crimes.

      • CJinSD

        People aren’t supposed to be paying attention! They’re supposed to be ruled by emotions, lies, and manipulated photographs!

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    • Will

      @Sean Goldstein
      Sources? And don’t tell me to google, if you’ve every written an academic paper you need to cite your argument, otherwise you’re talking out of your ass.

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      • Sean Goldstein

        Will,
        I don’t play that game. I’m not going to waste a perfectly lovely evening collating sources, only for you to decide that one isn’t acceptable because he is a professor at a LIBERAL arts college, another once dated a hippie in 1987, the third has a Jewish sounding name and the fourth is associated someone implicated in PizzaGate.

        I encourage you and everyone who is curious to know the facts about immigration to do his own research and to be thoughtful about his sources.
        Respectfully,

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  8. DougD

    The logic I got from my Dad is that complaining about what my brother did yesterday doesn’t excuse what I do today.

    Interesting podcast by Gladwell on how southern border migration was cyclical, until the border was tightened which stopped the cycle and caused everyone to stay.

    http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/25-general-chapman's-last-stand

    I think he is incorrect that leaving the border lax would have prevented problems, but he is very correct that what happened is a contributing factor to the current situation.

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  9. Carl Kolchak

    One group you never hear about is Poor Whites. This group is , more than likely, most negatively affected by unchecked immigration. The Progressive “Upper Class” looks at them as being privileged due to the their skin color, while removing the lower rungs of the social ladder with cheap, disposable labor.
    Another is Middle Class Hispanics. The ” Ruling class” assumes that they are monolithic, despite coming from over 20 countries. Look at Texas
    I’m starting to think the solution is an actual war with Mexico. In may ways, the USA’s largest problem IS the next door neighbor. Great people, great weather, abundant natural resources and a government that is corrupt and incompetent. Let Europe and Asia defend itself, our military has it’s own country to take care of.

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    • Sean Goldstein

      “Great people, great weather, abundant natural resources and a government that is corrupt and incompetent.”

      Typically, countries with so much in common don’t go to war.

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      • Ronnie Schreiber

        So you’re saying that the masses of government employees in the United States, who vote primarily for Democrats and tend to want bigger and bigger government and more control over our lives are generally corrupt and incompetent. Okay, I agree.

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        • Sean Goldstein

          Ronnie,
          Firefighters, trash haulers and social workers typically don’t declare and execute war. They leave that to Congress and the President.

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          • Ronnie Schreiber

            You were the one who made the categorical inferrence that the government of the United States is corrupt and incompetent. That would necessarily include all of your public employee union friends who have helped corrupt the system with their campaign contributions and work for Democrats.

            FWIW, I’m not really sure that a constitutional republic needs social workers on the public payroll. Also, like many Americans, I live in a city where trash hauling is done under contract with a private sector vendor so it’s quite clear that trash hauling doesn’t necessarily have to be done by public employees. Of course, with gov’t contracts there’s always the chance for graft, but then the same is true for public employees, it’s just structured differently.

    • hank chinaski

      Mexico, always corrupt, is a failed narco state. They’ve been executing journalists and politicians left and right. A militarized southern border is the only answer. I think we’ve a few grunts cooling their heels in Europe since the USSR and Warsaw Pact went tits up almost 30 years ago, plus a few more patrolling with the pedarists in the Graveyard of Empires, and more in the Levant.

      To echo “The Untouchables”, ‘what are we prepared to do’?

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  10. Widgetsltd

    So…that one picture was not what it was proported to be. It is a bit silly to act as if that fact indicates that children are not being held behind fences in warehouse-like facilities. Because they are. Senators and US Reps have seen it and documented it. Guess who is profiting from it? For-profit prison companies who are no doubt friends of the Trump administration. More self-dealing and corruption from the guy who promised to drain the swamp.
    Can we at least agree that bro-dozers suck?

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    • Kevin Jaeger

      I swear there’s something about Trump that makes people’s brain melt.

      If a family of all ages stepped off a raft into Texas back in 1996 what do you think happened to them? Border Patrol existed even back in those days, you know? People were picked up and detained. Parents prosecuted. They didn’t leave the kids by the river to fend for themselves.

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      • mopar4wd

        There is a reason Trump so irritates people. I mean much of what he does is designed to irritate so having it thrown back should be little surprise. He also kind of projects an air of incompetence when he says things like I can’t change this, oh wait yes I can. Or we don;t have that policy, well we do have a policy but that’s not what it says, OK we do have the policy and that’s what it says but it’s for the good of our country, to well that was a bad policy. Our my favorite congress actually looks like they may pass some kind of legislation and he tells them to knock it off.

        Also he seems to be feeding the people that are worried he was a fascist all along by tossing them more red meat on a regular basis. I never really bought into it, but man things like trying to eliminate due process to gun owners and now immigrants really has some dark references to things that went badly in history. Also they way he describes things on the southern border has some eerie similarities to dictators from the past. Again I don;t think that he is but really he’s not helping himself here.

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    • Jack BaruthJack Baruth Post author

      For-profit incarceration is one of late-stage capitalism’s least palatable features and it needs to be outlawed IMO.

      I’m also not a big fan of incarcerating children. But it’s not like we are performing extraordinary rendition on families. These people came here knowing they were breaking the law.

      The illegal immigrant cries out in pain as he strikes you, or something to that effect.

      I applaud brodozers in principle but despise them in practice, as with many other libertarian ideas…

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      • Sean Goldstein

        Actually, many of the families we are talking about came here as refugees of gang and domestic violence. But as they approached the border, Jeff Sessions decided that they no longer qualified as refugees. It’s hard to blame people traveling on the tops of freight trains for not being on top of the latest news from this administration, especially given how often it reverses itself.

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        • Kevin Jaeger

          Well if someone is trying to claim asylum to escape violence from MS-13 or other Latino gangs it makes perfect sense that they should be told to go try another country. The U.S. no longer qualifies as being a refuge from them.

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        • Ronnie Schreiber

          It would be nice if leftists didn’t constantly redefine words like refugee.

          “My husband beats me so my only solution is to leave the country where I was born and raised, and travel to the United States, risking rape and exploitation on the way, and declare myself a refugee in need of asylum.”

          Regarding gang violence, I’m quite sure you criticized Pres. Trump for calling members of MS-13 animals.

          At least honestly admit you want open borders because you think Hispanics and Muslims will vote for Democrats.

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        • Wulfgar

          Asylum for alleged “domestic violence” is not part of any international standard and was on,y recognized by the Obama administration. How does one hope to reasonably investigate domestic violence that occurred thousands of miles away. Regardless, people coming to the United States illegally flat know they are doing so illegally regardless of the current administrations vagaries.

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          • Sean Goldstein

            Ronnie,
            I am not in favor of open borders. I’d like to see a credible, practical immigration policy that favored people who will contribute to our society, as opposed to the race-based system the US has historically used.

            I did not criticize Trump for calling MS-13 members animals. I don’t engage on every ridiculous thing he says or does. I focus on fighting only those truly anti-American, immoral and dangerous acts. That alone is sufficient to keep a man quite busy.

          • Ronnie Schreiber

            I did not criticize Trump for calling MS-13 members animals. I don’t engage on every ridiculous thing he says or does.

            You think it’s ridiculous to call MS-13 members animals?

          • Sean Goldstein

            I think it’s ridiculous to misrepresent how safe Americans actually are today and to use the example of a gang born in US jails as an excuse to whip up anti-immigrant fervor to prop up a failing administration.

          • Dirty Dingus McGee

            Sean said regarding Trump; ” I focus on fighting only those truly anti-American, immoral and dangerous acts. That alone is sufficient to keep a man quite busy.”

            And I’m sure you were equally engaged in fighting against Obama when he did the same.

            No? Huh, go figure.

          • Sean Goldstein

            You’re right, Dirty Dingus.

            I fought Obama every time he colluded with the Russians to steal an election, used his quote unquote charity to further his own interests, sexually assaulted women, obstructed justice, mocked the intellectually challenged, attacked John McCain as a coward for being tortured by North Koreans, embraced a North Korean dictator (getting nothing in return), started multiple trade wars and destroyed relationships with allies our nation had spent decades cultivating.

            So, nothing.

          • mopar4wd

            It wasn’t really Obama policy. In general Obama was not really immigrant friendly other then DACA. The US has a ridiculously complicated system of government and law. Over a long period of time (2 decades) migration lawyers simply fought harder and harder on their point that maybe not just people looking to hide from political violence but all violence may need protection. They built their argument over years and many cases until they developed a standing for those views. it’s how our system works to some extent. The way to reverse it is to make the laws clearer thru legislation, but we typically leave some amount of vagueness in laws to account for unforeseen situations. While this does not always produce results everyone like s I believe the system is one of the reasons our country works .

          • Sean Goldstein

            Dirty Dingus,
            The best you could come up with are a now discredited screed in Rupert Murdoch’s NY Post and a fabrication in a publication best known for printing a rant in favor of child molestation to support Roy Moore?

            I would just ask that you consider upgrading your sources. There are plenty of right leaning news sources that still value truth and integrity. Well, a couple.

          • Dirty Dingus McGee

            Vogo/sean

            Pretty much the response I figured from you. If Huffpo or Mediamatters doesn’t say it, it didn’t happen.

            BTW; what flavor was the Kool Aide you drank?

      • Jeff Zekas

        One of the reasons there are so many hobos (nee “homeless”) here in Eugene, Oregon, is because of the generous hand outs given by local groups. There is a “Hobo Grapevine” that tells all the bums where to go, for the best freebies. How do I know this? My buddy, Timmy, was homeless and he showed me a web list where bums post the best places to go, for food, shelter, medical and compassion (aka weak minded liberals). Extrapolating from this, I assume there is a “Illegal Mexican Grapevine” that tells all the Mexican homies, “Go to the U.S.! Free stuff! Have an anchor baby and get welfare!”

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        • 1a

          Heard it through the grapevine (ha ha) that a certain Democrat governor posted signs down there to “come to xyz” state. When I go to Walmart in one of the whitest states and I’m the minority, it’s clear his strategy worked. And clearly the census isn’t accurate.

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  11. Ronnie Schreiber

    While the southern border is a problem, most of our illegal aliens came here legally, with visas that they are now overstaying.

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    • mopar4wd

      Ronnie thank you this is a very good point. the southern border was a much bigger problem 18 years ago then it is now. Seems a bit like a waste of resources to clamp down there and do little elsewhere when the problem has shifted away., I think it just plays to Trumps base better.

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  12. Ronnie Schreiber

    Listen. I had four Bolivian cyclists living with me for about half a decade, off and on.

    Bolivia? I wonder how much cocaine can be secreted inside a bicycle frame.

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  13. Jeff Zekas

    Jack Baruth for President! That said… I am a retired prison guard from California. Over ONE FOURTH of our inmates were illegal aliens (or the doublespeak term “undocumented immigrants”). I lived on the border. Every night, THOUSANDS of bodies poured across. Then, the black helicopters. This is unsustainable. You’d think the libs, believing in ecology and the environment would realize that MILLIONS coming in, using resources, polluting (illegal pot farms, run by illegals, use all kinds of toxic chemicals), would be bad. But don’t expect consistency from the left. Thanks for speaking the truth, Jack.

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    • 1a

      “But don’t expect consistency from the left.” Because they’re the “fake left”. Roseanne Barr defined(?) this several years ago. That’s why she’s so dangerous and was let go when she made a comment low-IQ tweeters couldn’t possibly understand.

      Watch if you (collectively) aren’t a pussy:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5h83tKJHXE

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      • 1a

        Edit: I didn’t know it was going to post the video right here. Can you remove those links Jack?

        Instead, look up on YouTube: “Roseanne Barr: BDS are the fake left” and “Roseanne Barr on Trump, Hillary, Black Lives Matter, and More”

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          • Sean Goldstein

            Why would you remove a video from a lousy comedian, disgraced as a racist? If she mentions Hillary’s emails, then it’s relevant to every conversation. At least, that’s what Hannity says…

          • 1a

            Jack – OK that’s fine, just didn’t expect a huge video to post taking up all that space!

            Goldstein – lousy? Her show had been running non-stop on TV for 30 years. Name any other comedienne (you shouldn’t be so sexist, really) who can say the same. Lucille Ball – any others? Perhaps that’s why they were watching and waiting for “the” tweet to stop the steady royalties check coming in in exchange for supporting her President. She’s rich. Self-made. How ’bout you, Goldstein?
            She’s been calling out VJ’s ideology for yearrrrrs. It wasn’t about race. She’s been calling out the big “O” for years and has never hinted at his race. It’s too bad you lack the intelligence to understand her deep thoughts.
            She’s mentioned much more than H’s emails. I’d recommend you take a gander, but I don’t think you could handle her or her intelligence.
            You shouldn’t be so SEXIST; I’d hate for you to lose your income.

  14. Rob De Witt

    Anybody here old enough to remember John D. MacDonald? MacDonald was an Ivy-league-educated economist who, after service as an artillery officer in WWII, turned to writing mystery novels to support his family. I know, I know, but he pulled it off.

    His protagonist in a 20+book series was Travis McGee, a tall handsome ex-football jock who refused to be a part of the consumer society and so made his living hustling scammers out of their ill-gotten gains in return for 50% of the recovery, shared with the scammee. McGee’s Sancho Panza was his best friend Meyer – a hairy, dumpy semi-retired….economist. Obviously MacDonald’s alter ego, and the provider of regular opportunities for the author to expound like Jack does on the transparently-true-but-nonetheless-commonly-ignored facts of the matter concerning the state of the world.

    My point here (you knew I’d get to it eventually, right?) is that Meyer patiently instructed McGee IN NINETEEN SIXTY-FOUR! that the oncoming chaos was unavoidable for the simple reason that modern communications (IN NINETEEN SIXTY-FOUR!) had made it possible for virtually every human in the second- third- fourth- whatever-world to get a taste of how Americans lived, or maybe more importantly how they wished they live, and then advertised to the envious multitudes. And so all these poor saps looked at that, and then looked at the miserable mud-hut open-latrine pellagra-ridden facts of their existence and came to the unsurprising conclusion that they too deserved radios and television sets and ski-boats blondes in miniskirts (and don’t forget Eldridge Cleaver’s oft-repeated dictum that “There’s no such thing as an ugly white woman….”) But I digress.

    And Meyer made it clear (IN NINETEEN SIXTY-FOUR!) that the simple facts were that there wasn’t enough of this stuff, or the raw wherewithal to produce it, to go around. And that as this became more apparent the disappointment and, yes, envy, would eventually reach a critical state and then, as we say in the economist dodge, the Vigaro would encounter the Mixmaster.

    Now. That was over 50 years ago; multiply that by cable television, the world-wide web, and Lyndon Johnson through Barack Obama, and tell me MacDonald didn’t see all this shit coming. What else could be expected?

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    • 1a

      Look up Robert Welch from the John Birch Society; his predictions were from 1958. He re-presented them in 1974 and this is available on YouTube.
      I would say it’s mind-blowing, but as a youngster I listened to the “prophets” of the time, i.e. my grandfather, who called this stuff out, too. They hate MEN like that!

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      • Rob De Witt

        I do know about Robert Welch, as I’m sure you are aware of Enoch Powell. All of their messages were about common sense – (1) there’s not enough unlimited pie-in-the-sky for everybody, and (2) limits need to be recognized. Even as a child (I’m 73) it was resoundingly apparent to me that the world had a lot of people – like Franklin Roosevelt and Adlai Stevenson, to name but two – who were deeply invested in the way things should be to the detriment of the way things are. Nobody was around to teach me anything, so gut instinct was all I had; abused children have extensive bullshit detectors.

        As I’ve gotten older it’s clear, to me at least, that lefties embrace chaos, and I’m against it because I’ve seen the outcome. Simple enough.

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        • 1a

          Rob,
          We have a lot in common.
          Laying low, reading the people, and predicting the situation that will inevitably arise.
          I predicted a lot of the political events that unfolded the past several years (all the while being called “paranoid” and so forth). Each step of the way, I was proven right. It actually restored (sort of?) my faith in God and His justice.
          I called for DJT to run 15 years ago 🙂

          P.S. Robert Welch also discussed Communism, New World Order, etc. If you aren’t familiar with that aspect of his work, you should look it up on YouTube; it’s great.

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    • -Nate

      Ha ! Travis McGee, what a blast from the past .

      I loved those books way back then and should prolly go find and re read them as I thought them on target when they were new .

      ? Remember his ‘pickup truck’ ? .

      -Nate
      (whom even @ 16YO knew there were FUGLY White Women, too FUGLY to touch)

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        • -Nate

          Thanx ! .

          I’m trying to close a deal on an old BMW Motocycle, hopefully by next month I able to budget buying a set of these old books and enjoy reading them again =8-) .

          -Nate

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          • -Nate

            Not everyone thinks BMW AirHeads are ‘top shelf’ .

            I do having ridden them for thirty years .

            This is an old battered 600CC one, not popular when new, all I need is one that runs O.K. and doesn’t pop out of gear / have a howling transmission, the rest I can fix on the fly as I ride it ’round town (tires, brakes, battery, tune up etc. etc. .

            We’ll see .

            I had to pass on a nice Triumph America for $1,800 because it has forward controls, foot boards, it’s a wanna be Harley ~ I don’t care about that but I cannot have my feet forward .

            An don’t want to have to modify the frame, I want to ride, not get another old project I’m too old and beat up to finish ,.

            -Nate

          • Dirty Dingus McGee

            “Not everyone thinks BMW AirHeads are ‘top shelf’ ”

            And there are also people who enjoy warm beer and well done steak. They are not to be trusted either. 🙂

            I’m gonna guess an R60/5,6,7 Unless you happened onto an R65 or the even more scarce LS version. Any of which are a fine motorcycle. My 2 airheads (1974 R75/5 and 1993 R100GSPD) have required little work over the years.

            It was said back in the early 70’s that BMW’s were for people who preferred to ride motorcycles, not work on them.

          • -Nate

            I guess I’m 1/2 way trust worthy then as I prefer my meats well done, always have since being forced to eat raw bloody meats (including pork & chicken) in the early 1960’s .

            When I lived in Guatemala I discovered to my dismay that cold drinks co$t .40 cents more and often out in the jungle or at the beach there simply wasn’t any electricity so warm beer (ugh) had to suffice .

            I’m one of those (damn) Yankees who floats ice cubes in my beer, even in January .

            Back to Beemers : IIRC (possible, don’t get excited) the 1974 MY was the very first /6, this being the only year you could get a 5 speed tranny with a kick starter….

            Anyways, the R65 & R65LS were disliked by the faithful, I never knew why apart from the ugly tanks .

            I have one of those lined up too in case the older one falls through .

            I prolly shoulda kept one of the five or six /5’s I sold a few years back for peanuts as all were pretty raggedy .

            Stay tuned , I hope to have a shyte eating grin on my mug ere long .

            -Nate
            (BTW: ‘TACANA’ beer was the one I could swallow warm or even hot)

          • Dirty Dingus McGee

            “Back to Beemers : IIRC (possible, don’t get excited) the 1974 MY was the very first /6, this being the only year you could get a 5 speed tranny with a kick starter”

            You are correct. Kinda. Mine IS a 5 speed, kicker, and front disc, which were all SUPPOSED to be /6 only. I bought the bike in 1977 from the original owner who bought it at Razee in RI. I have had many discussions over the years with “experts” who insist it’s a /6. Once they looked at the bike, and the original paperwork, they realized it’s a very early 74 MY ( number 48 made they figure). Back then it was just a motorcycle. These days, it will get talked about nearly to the point of fist fights. I just ignore them, as I and a few others know that its the way BMW built, trimmed and titled it. It HAS been repainted, engine and trans rebuilt( at 238.000 miles), and the seat reupholstered, but all numbers match and it’s pretty much as the factory built it.

            If you do get the R60, try to find a set of bars from the R65LS. They were a couple inches narrower than the R60 thru R100 bars and had a different bend that I found to be far more comfortable. They are very close to the bars on an early K100RT.

            Hope you’re able to pull the trigger on one, and get your knee’s back in the breeze.

          • -Nate

            Not a hole helluvva lot left of my knees these dayze .

            Anyway, folks who know German vehicles all know they typically make up grades as they go along and the MY begins in August for whatever reason I’ve long forgotten so the variable of what was changed when are loose to say the least .

            I’ve had so many German oddities like yours over the years, like you said : those who didn’t work on them when new didn’t realize how chaotic things could get and love to argue over things they have no clue about .

            I don’t care if it’s a “BITSA” as long as it runs out O.K…

            We’ll see what turns, I should know by Tuesday .

            I need fairly wide and tall handlebars, have for decades because of my back and other injuries .

            Narrow bars, like forward foot controls, make it painful to ride .

            -Nate

        • Rob De Witt

          That was MISS Agnes, not “Ms.”

          I can only imagine what John D. MacDonald would have made of “political correctness,” a transparently Maoist locution.

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  15. Jim

    Swiss engineers good.

    Indian programmers bad.

    We have no moral duty to those with a well founded fear of persecution.

    Got it.

    Peace Out

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    • Jack BaruthJack Baruth Post author

      Who is “we” in this case?

      How much are you prepared to pay to clothe, feed, and house every unhappy person in the Third World?

      As for the Swiss — yeah. We could use some diversity. The H1-B feed contains far more Indians than Swiss people. Not very diverse, dontcha know.

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    • Ronnie Schreiber

      About 1/7th of the U.S. population were immigrants, more than 43 million people (2016 data). Just how many immigrants does the United States have to admit?

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  16. Eric L.

    In your post about WeWork, you neglected to mention how much time you spend a week responding to internet fan comments and emails. I hope it’s low? Doesn’t seem profitable to spend your time that way, but maybe you can write it off as a quirky, yet pleasant hobby.

    I don’t disagree with the final parts of your conclusions, but don’t you think American Exceptionalism is a bit strong in your spitballing of numbers? I would be shocked if *half* of China (or even 10%!) really gave much thought to America. Same for the victims of imperialism all over the African continent. Same for Mexicans.

    Wikipedia (sorry, sorry) claims that 2017 was the first time the Mexican birthrate dropped below replacement rates. We beat them by what, 40 years? With the exception of a wobble in 1921, they’ve had strong population growth since we wrenched CA, AZ, NM, and TX from their grasp. Compared to the US at similar sizes–Mexico is about 100 years behind–they are growing at 2x the rate.

    Here in San Diego, the paper has had lots of interesting articles on the border wall. Who knew that San Diego was completely wall-less for ~200 years? People your age tell stories of multinational soccer games played where the current fences are. It was in the late 80s, IIRC, that landowners along the border said cars and trucks began driving through their scrubby desert ranches, presumably bringing lucrative drugs to fuel America’s coke obsession.

    I’m struggling to understand how Mexican/Central American migrants in 1980-2020 are different from Irish migrants of 1840-1920. Why is the one okay, the other not? Who knows how many people illegally immigrated into the US during the 1800s? How come San Diego seems to have been fine for 200 years of a fence-free border with Tijuana?

    Did you know the frickin’ caesar salad was invented here? A restaurateur in Little Italy invented it during prohibition for people driving back into the US after TJ drinking runs… What a symbiosis!

    Is the thesis that something has broken in Mexico recently (solely the cartels?), so people are just now interested in immigrating? Hasn’t Central America been a wreck for as long as Europeans have landed? I know you’re aware of Mr. Roosevelt’s actions to create the Panama canal, as one tiny example.

    Solomon declares in Ecclesiastes that there’s nothing new under the sun. People have always sucked. They *will* always suck.

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    • Kevin Jaeger

      Are you suggesting this lack of a wall was some kind of success? There are effectively zero white Americans still living in San Ysidro today – that desirable real estate is a de facto part of Mexico now.

      Any international soccer game would be Mexicans playing Mexicans. That’s your plan?

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    • hank chinaski

      Who gets to come over? That’s an easier answer than you’d think. Firstly, I think we can agree that with the passing of the agricultural and industrial revolutions, that there is no need for bodies for their own sake. This is particularly true since the creation of the welfare state.
      Second, accepting that there is no such thing as ‘magic dirt’, would you willingly live in one of the countries where the immigrants are coming from, because that’s what yours will look like at some point in one degree or another. No, the touristy walled-garden bubbles don’t count.

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    • Jack BaruthJack Baruth Post author

      The Irish were immigrating to a nation of 50 million people where 80% of the land had never seen a foot other than that of the natives. Nor was their impact entirely positive — Bill The Butcher had a few valid points.

      The Mexicans are coming to a country where there is less work every year and unemployed people are supported by a taxpayer funded social safety net.

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      • -Nate

        Few here seem to grasp just how hated and unwanted the Irish were back in the day…..

        The stories my Pops told me about being of Irish descent in NYC in the 1930’s curled my hair .

        -Nate

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        • mopar4wd

          Yeah my full blooded Irish grandmother couldn’t get work with major companies back in the 50’s because she was Irish. She was a secretary and several major banks and insurance companies turned her down, saying the Irish had no head for money and business. She thought it was funny when in the 70’s after my grandfather passed, that one of the big insurance companies that turned her down 20 years earlier was happy to hire her.

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          • -Nate

            Pops was born in the North Bronx and in the 1930’s saw some NYPD blue suits disembowel a “fucking paddy bitch” on a street corner, she was pregnant and that apparently set the cops off…..

            -Nate

      • Sean Goldstein

        “The Mexicans are coming to a country where there is less work every year…” Anyone picking up a newspaper would tell you that we are at unemployment so low that the number of job openings exceeds the number of people looking for work. There is nothing whatsoever about that statement even close to being true.

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        • 1a

          Semantics of the word “unemployed”, Goldstein.

          I’m glad you’re at least able to see Trump is good for the economy, though.

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          • Sean Goldstein

            Trump is good for the economy like he’s supportive of marriage, rule of law and honor. The only question is how long he’ll be able to ride Obama’s economic coattails before the combination of deficit spending and trade wars lead to recession. As it is, the yield curve has gone scary.

    • CJinSD

      “I’m struggling to understand how Mexican/Central American migrants in 1980-2020 are different from Irish migrants of 1840-1920. Why is the one okay, the other not?”

      The problem isn’t the migrants. We’ve changed. We weren’t a welfare state. Now we are. We weren’t confused about why people wanted to move here. There was no question that the American experiment was the first taste of individual liberty available to the un-titled. Now we’ve been demoralized by a hundred years of Progressive efforts to remove the Constitution’s limits on government and get us back on the feudalist bandwagon. Today’s migrants live off of welfare and send their earnings ‘home’ through Carlos Slim’s remittance agency, paying for the propaganda that continues to poison almost every feeble mind in the nation against its neighbors.

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      • Sean Goldstein

        “There was no question that the American experiment was the first taste of individual liberty available to the un-titled.” You’re referring to the time BEFORE Europeans came to this land, right?

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  17. Spud Boy

    Here’s how you solve immigration:

    Build two simple chain link fences at the border, one mile apart. Between them is no-man’s land; anyone in no-man’s land is shot on sight. Problem solved.

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  18. mopar4wd

    So we have some of the lowest levels of illegal immigration across the southern border in 40 years. So we have an administration that issues an order to try and clamp down more. They decide we will charge everyone crossing the border with a federal misdemeanor. Which means we have to hold everyone in federal prison. We can’t keep children in federal prison so we have to separate them. Now that we have not kept them together we now have to separate case files. One for the adult in one for the kids. We also now have to pay to hold care and detain adults and kids separately.
    When we didn’t charge everyone we held them for 20 days while they decided what to do. If they could not deport them quickly due to asylum claims they are released and set on a court date. (or separated from their kids if there are serious red flags like criminal records and the parents sent to prison like if they had committed a crime as US citizens). Trump has claimed that 80% never show up to their hearing which is false. Depending on the year over the last 5 years anywhere from 89-75% show up to court after being released. So he had his numbers reversed.
    Now that we detain so many and separate them from kids. we have created an incredibly costly system that requires many more dollars in court and detainment costs then the old system with no guarantee of better results. (being charged with a misdemeanor will have little effect on most who make an illegal crossing).
    If they really wanted to do something instead of creating a costly drama on one border they could just start issuing tracking bracelets to catch the minority who try to avoid court dates. But no they had to seem harsh and on top of things.

    It’s just a giant exercise in stupidity.

    So Obama deported a record number of people and illegal crossing dropped dramatically under his administration. But some how he is always cited as being a driver of the problem. he actually deported more people then Trump has on average so far. it seems like Trump would really like to say he’s better at border security but finding it hard since well Obama actually deported the majority of criminal immigrants so they have had to cast their nets far wider to make it happen and they still can’t do it. Which is really kind of funny.

    Oh well in the end if you voted for Trump nothing anyone can say will change your mind, I think. So this is largely a pointless argument.

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    • CJinSD

      I wondered who Obama hoped to fool by redefining deportation to include anyone turned away at the border. Now I know.

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      • mopar4wd

        Obama did not change the policy. The change was made by the Bush administration. They started the new reporting system with the 2006 data. Even if you look at the data from 2006 to 2018 (so across Bush Obama and Trump) Obama still has the lead as the Trump admin is still using the same reporting standard.

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    • Jack BaruthJack Baruth Post author

      A) I appreciate your thoughtful and detailed responses here.

      B) border crossings were likely down in 2008-2012 for economic factors; they dropped under Carter as well apparently.

      C) with regards to closing the border, I think it is like planting a tree. The best time would have been in 1965, but the second best time is now.

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      • mopar4wd

        The economy likely had an effect. But the trend stayed pretty flat lined from 2010 until today. If you look at the data there is another trend while a large portion of illegal immigrants already here are from Mexico, the new crossing are mostly from other countries which means they have traveled quite away even if it is for economics. It also seems to point that for the last year or two Mexico is a little more stable then 4 years ago.

        So on the non emotional level, my biggest issue is the cost of what the current administration is doing at the border with likely poor returns compared to beefing up VISA rules and employment checks and documentation confirmations.

        On the emotional side yes keep out criminals and vet border crossings. But also the tracks to becoming a citizen need to much clearer and any quotas should be much more blind then they seem to be currently (political business pull). I have not studied enough to know the ideal but I don’t think pure economics or pure family are the correct ways to look at it.

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  19. Kevin Jaeger

    On a slightly related note in a week or so Mexico will have a new and very openly anti-American president that will officially encourage mass migration into America.

    If should be very interesting to see what effect that has on the dynamic at the border. My guess is the media and Democrats will mostly do their best to ignore it. While there’s massive sympathy for illegals there seems to be very little interest in what is actually happening in Mexico itself.

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